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Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/19/2017 6:15 AM (GMT -6)   
This is just a reminder with the holidays getting close that we still need to eat responsibly. I had 3 Christmas parties last week and ate like a normal person all week. Yesterday, I went back to my oatmeal with blueberries for breakfast, huge salad for lunch, and vegetable supper and had a massive herx last night. It could have been the worst I've ever had. I'm going to run some numbers today and see if I can speculate as to what happened, but it wasn't good. This is just a reminder that eating bad foods isn't good for us. Maybe that ice cream dessert and cake I had last week wasn't the best decision I've ever made.

PeppermintTea
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   Posted 12/19/2017 7:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Food is such a social component of life, especially around the holidays. Like one of my favorite holiday treats-----cookie swaps! Sorry to hear you had a massive herx last night. Hoping with your back to basics eating today will be easier.

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/19/2017 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
My lyme is in remission. However, my neighbor who works far away and I take care of her place while she is working came over and brought a plate full of cookies and cake.

I ate 4 small cookies and felt them right away..... My body is not used to that much sugar and butter and flour.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 12/19/2017 1:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Fortunately, we usually don't have any obvious reaction to good vs bad foods. We just aren't that sensitive (generally).
But it's also unfortunate, as it would be easier to avoid bad types of foods if there was an obvious negative reaction to them.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/19/2017 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
Fortunately, we usually don't have any obvious reaction to good vs bad foods. We just aren't that sensitive (generally).
But it's also unfortunate, as it would be easier to avoid bad types of foods if there was an obvious negative reaction to them.


Excellent point. Even though you may not notice the reaction, it most likely occurs and taxes your immune response. I am just unfortunate in that I react every time, but at least I know what I'm going to get. I'll post more on this later after I study a bit.

insomniaaa
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   Posted 12/19/2017 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought herxing is a good thing?! The bacteria release toxins because they are confronted with a substance that they don't like or that supposedly kills them.
You must've eaten something quite bactericidal or antiviral but probably a little bit too much of it at once. Take it slowly.
I'm guessing it was either the salad or the vegetable supper. One special ingredient ingested at the right dose is enough to trigger a massive herx.

Georgia hunter can you please describe your herx?

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 12/19/2017 12:54:03 PM (GMT-7)


astroman
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   Posted 12/19/2017 7:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I gave into the holiday foods last year. Learned my lesson. Wont (have not so far) repeated poor food choices this year.

Its one huge sugar/gluten/lactose blizzard thats best avoided for most of us,..... if you want an immune system left..

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/20/2017 4:00 AM (GMT -6)   
insomniaaa said...
I thought herxing is a good thing?! The bacteria release toxins because they are confronted with a substance that they don't like or that supposedly kills them.
You must've eaten something quite bactericidal or antiviral but probably a little bit too much of it at once. Take it slowly.
I'm guessing it was either the salad or the vegetable supper. One special ingredient ingested at the right dose is enough to trigger a massive herx.

Georgia hunter can you please describe your herx?


Herxing is not a good thing. Herxing means our system has been overloaded and free radicals are causing oxidative stress and cellular damage. In a perfect world, our body would be able to handle the free radicals and prevent the oxidative stress. This is what happens to most people and they only have a slow decline in health. An example being a decline from age 40 to age 90. Severe herxing can cause the same amount of damage in one year that other people experience in 20 to 30 years.

I didn't eat anything I don't normally eat, I just couldn't handle the toxin load when I ate like I was supposed to eat after a week of eating "normal" people food. A calorie reduction of 1000 calories per day should not elicit such a response. My head felt like it was going to explode. I eventually become a little nauseated and after all my available melatonin was used up, I got light sensitive. Icing my head reduces the swelling and pain over time. I also have nose bleeds either from the pressure or IMO, from the release of free aluminum that occurs. The free aluminum is bound by ceruloplasmin which normally binds copper. This disrupts the normal coagulation process. (Aluminum welders have a decrease in serum ceruloplasmin and people with Wilson's Disease have aluminum accumulation in their liver.)

We know GI bacteria cleave short chain fatty acids in our GI tract. What if I have translocated GI bacteria and even have some in the brain? A leaky blood brain barrier can occur just like a leaky gut. GI bacteria in the brain would be beneficial if there were bacteria or pathogens present that my immune system couldn't remove. GI bacteria secret products called streptocin and bacteriocins that have antibiotic properties and kill pathogens or similar bacteria. They could be helpful in killing or removing bacteria in the brain. The downside is that they cleave short chain fatty acids. The brain, membranes, and extracellular matrix are made of fats and these bacteria may cleave them in the periphery and brain just like they do in the GI tract. Here lies the problem, I can't detox fast enough when I reduce my fat calorie intake. If they don't get enough fat from what I eat, they get their nutrients from the brain. I learned long ago if I don't eat enough fat, I suffer. It could be protozoal as cryptolepis can cause the same thing, but what ever it is, eating "normal" for a little while is detrimental.

This is all theoretical of course.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/21/2017 10:51 AM (GMT -6)   
"It could be protozoal as cryptolepis can cause the same thing, but what ever it is, eating "normal" for a little while is detrimental."

Can you explain more about this - the protozoan and cryptolepis part? What are you saying they cause - the same type of herx as the food did?

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/21/2017 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
"It could be protozoal as cryptolepis can cause the same thing, but what ever it is, eating "normal" for a little while is detrimental."

Can you explain more about this - the protozoan and cryptolepis part? What are you saying they cause - the same type of herx as the food did?


Yes, the die off is the same and the herxing is the same. It is my belief that many people have protozoal infections that are undetected and aren't attributed to an infection. The increase in oxidative stress is just part of "getting old." Like Dr Fry said, 50% of the 50 year old people will have it.

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/21/2017 3:13 PM (GMT -6)   
For the past 5 years I have gotten nose bleeds this time of year. We have very little humidity and in the winter months, even less.

I use a humidifier in our upstairs and a steam pot on the fireplace downstairs. Sometimes I have to use a saline spray solution for my nose or I use a non-petroleum jelly on a q-tip and coat the inside of my nose. This only started happening as I got older and thinner skinned.

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/23/2017 4:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm helping a friend lose weight and stopped by the gym since it's next to where I work. I showed her a couple of good exercises she's probably never seen and I only did 3 or 4 reps as an example. They're good but difficult exercises that I hadn't done since my lifting days and guess what? I slept 7 hours last night. It's the only thing I did different than my normal routine. It appears that whatever combination of pathogens I have, they are not only in the joints but also attached to the muscles. And since I don't use my hamstrings very often, they have been getting a free pass. It's a lot of time and effort to work out again, but I may have to do it just to reduce my pathogen load.

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 12/23/2017 8:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Can eating little affect Lyme in a bad way?

Wisco woman
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   Posted 12/23/2017 10:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I always notice at least some body aches after eating poorly. This week my breathing and heart symptoms have been worst. I ate a little bit of "bad" food early in the week and wondering if that did it. This is a really hard time of year and I really wish I could eat like a normal person.

Psilociraptor
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   Posted 12/23/2017 12:07 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
"It could be protozoal as cryptolepis can cause the same thing, but what ever it is, eating "normal" for a little while is detrimental."

Can you explain more about this - the protozoan and cryptolepis part? What are you saying they cause - the same type of herx as the food did?


Use caution overinterpretting a response to a certain antimicrobial. Cryptolepis is active against a wide range of microorganisms, not just protozoal. Cryptolepis has caused my stereotypical Lyme symptoms to flare BAD. Maybe that's not what you implied, just emphasizing because I see a lot of people do this. Thinking that a response to a certain herb or antibiotic implies that they are infect with the thing it is most commonly prescribed to treat. It would just suck to get hung up on one idea and start treating the wrong thing. Though I am 100% on board with the idea that protozoal infections are likely common contributors to chronic illness

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/24/2017 2:32 AM (GMT -6)   
LymeSick 🌟 said...
Can eating little affect Lyme in a bad way?


If someone has had chronic Lyme or chronic inflammation, there is a high likelihood that they are deficient in specific nutrients. Eating little would just contribute to this. Nutrient deficiency is just one component of chronic Lyme but it does contribute to the problems.

gfields
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   Posted 12/24/2017 11:44 PM (GMT -6)   
GH, My head feels like it's going to explode. Is there anything you've found to relieve this? I can barely think.

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 12/25/2017 3:44 AM (GMT -6)   
gfields said...
GH, My head feels like it's going to explode. Is there anything you've found to relieve this? I can barely think.


A lot of people with Lyme have increased ammonia levels. I feel my headaches are because of temporal dehydration or inflammation due to insufficient ability to detoxify an increased load of cellular debris. I know ice helps my headaches which would support the inflammation hypothesis, but if you have headaches because of increased ammonia, that is different. What do you think is the causing the headache?

See if something like this right before bedtime helps.

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB5laFb74dM

Post Edited (Georgia Hunter) : 12/25/2017 2:11:00 AM (GMT-7)


gfields
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   Posted 12/25/2017 10:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm not sure what it's from exactly. I find that ginger extract does help to reduce the swelling. But that's the only thing I've found that helps. It could be ammonia, I'm not sure. I assumed that it was spirochetes reproducing in my spinal fluid or brain fluid. When I look through a microscope, and see a reflection of light in my eyeball, I see thousands of spirochetes and little balls inside my eyeball, so I assume that's what's in my brain as well.

bluelyme
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   Posted 12/25/2017 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Lol i thought this thread was about our member named "reminder "...he was doing mhbot .we started the same time and had similar sx.
Any hoo ya i have such a sugar hangover .and gf i think its damage done from spiros in your eye not necessarily them themselves ..consider bee venom eye drops and mangosteen
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