Worried bacteria will be replicating at a rate faster than the herbs can manage

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Szabo246
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   Posted 12/21/2017 7:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Does this make sense or have I got it all wrong? I’ve cut down on my herbs as I believe I was having side effects, but now I’m worried as I’m taking such a low dose the bacteria will be replicating at such a rate that I’m always going to be a few steps behind.

... is this right?

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 12/21/2017 10:27 AM (GMT -6)   
That's very unlikely, spirochetes take about a month to reproduce.

On the other hand, depending on how much you cut down, it might not be enough to kill them.

Maybe you can post the dosages here?

Szabo246
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   Posted 12/21/2017 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi limesick I was taking cats claw and jk 15 drops twice a day, but was causing dizziness so have cut it back to 5 drops of jk, I’ve stopped at cats claw for 5 days as I believe it was giving me joint pain, I’m also taking 2 pills of andrographis (400mg) one in morning one in eve.

Szabo246
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   Posted 12/21/2017 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
That’s 5 drops of jk twice a day I do intend to increase it but need to take it slowly

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   Posted 12/21/2017 11:46 AM (GMT -6)   
The Lyme replicates every 3-4 weeks, but the bartonella and babesis is quicker (apparently) - I think they're days not weeks. (4-5 days for bart I've read?)

Szabo - If it's causing a herx...then you're 'killing' the bacteria.

Have you thought about taking it 3 X daily instead of 2? Maybe you could tolerate the 30 drops daily taking it 10 drops 3 X day?

I've read a few times that more often during the day is better.

Just slowly raise it - you'll get to the higher dosage in time.
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Szabo246
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   Posted 12/21/2017 12:01 PM (GMT -6)   
If it’s a herx yes, I was under the impression the herb just didn’t suit my system and was just a side effect as opposed to a herx, but I suppose it could be, actually it would make sense as my dizziness came after taking the herbs for about 3 and a half weeks... now that’s reassuring.

Is my andrographis dose ok? I’m a bit scared of taking more after some of the things I’ve read

I will try the jk 3 times a day.

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   Posted 12/21/2017 12:36 PM (GMT -6)   
It's probably a herx. The andrographis dosage is ok unless it's causing a rash or hives.

I take way above the suggested andrographis dosage and I'm ok. In fact I took 8x 400mg this morning as an experiment and didn't notice much. Hope that helps. Try not to worry too much, you are on the right path.

Szabo246
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   Posted 12/21/2017 12:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you, I’m not working at the moment and despite having a little one seem to have too much time to overthink and panic.

Thanks for the reassurance both.

I will continue with the herbs and increase as I can. It’s so hard dealing with something that involves being a detective all day every day.
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