Can a herxheimer reaction kill you?

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Traneboy
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:10 PM (GMT -6)   
You know, since the last time i suffocated and couldn't catch my breath and had to get into a fight with my father, i'm seriously thinking about if i need to take abx. Can a severe herx kill you? Are there any documented cases?

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Well the purpose of detoxing is to make clean, clear pathways for the toxins to be eliminated so you won't herx. Herxing is not good. It is very stressful for your body.

www.tiredoflyme.com/the-herxheimer-reaction.html

Traneboy
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   Posted 12/21/2017 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, but i've seen somewhere someone saying that herx, like mine, could be so severe that it basically is an anaphylactic shock. So..

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/21/2017 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I guess you did not read the link I gave.

Traneboy
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   Posted 12/21/2017 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I now read, sorry. It says the inflammatory response from a herx reaction isn't as big as from an ebola infection, so that's why you won't die. But it pointed to that it might happen. But anyway, i don't have a choice, i'll take abx but with lots of detox. Just makes me sad that its so hard on the body and so expensive with all these seemingly at first irrelevant little supplements.

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/21/2017 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Traneboy check out this thread. It shows how many detoxing things some of us did or are doing.

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3602759

Traneboy
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   Posted 12/22/2017 8:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I have a little white coat on my tongue suggesting Candida. Do a lot of you have candida and if you do, how i'm supposed to take abx for lyme and also treat candida at the same time?

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   Posted 12/22/2017 8:14 AM (GMT -6)   
In some cases such as relapsing fever it apparently can be fatal. I don't know if it's ever happened in Lyme. I think it would depend specifically what your symptoms are, what organs are being impacted, and how strong the response is. Mostly it will just make you miserable.

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   Posted 12/22/2017 8:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Nasty thing about Lyme is that it can make you FEEL like you’re dying. The anxiety, uncertainty, horrible new symptoms, especially the heart palpitations and air hunger, make you think you’re killing yourself with antibiotics or having a heart attack.
You’re going to survive. Stick with the treatment.

Very very large amounts of probiotics are necessary , 2 hours away from antibiotics (I take my abx with breakfast and dinner and probx with lunch and before bed). Most probx from the store are 5 billion to 30 billion CFU’s (live cultures). I take 200 billion a day. So you need to get a very powerful one that you can take only 2-3 a day instead of 10, maybe your doctor can recommend a local brand- I buy mine online or get from my doctor.

To help Candida you can drink probiotics like kefir- the probiotic sits in your mouth to combat the yeast. Or if your probiotic comes in a powder form in a capsule, break open the capsule and dump it on your tongue. Or mix with yogurt if you don’t like the taste.

This is necessary the whole time you’re on antibiotics but if Candida still doesn’t go away, you may need a prescription for it like Diflucan to take for a week or two.
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Healrom
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   Posted 12/23/2017 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I have no proofs, but I feel that you can die.

For the candida, you can take probiotic. Like saccharomyces boulardii, and others. Also some doctors gives antifungal with the treatment, like diflucan, or nystatin.

What you can do is take less antibiotics the time that the reactions lessen. It can take some weeks for the reactions to lower. If the doctors never experienced herx reactions, they don't understand how it can be violent. So it's better to listen to his own body rather than a people that tells to do this or that, I guess.

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   Posted 12/23/2017 12:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I believe you can die from a herx...but it's NOT common.
Letting a herx go uncontrolled doesn't do anyone any good.
Do what you can to alleviate it...



I know someone who did. (or it's now thought that's what happened) This was many, many years ago - in the 1960's.

She was sick for a long time and in a wheelchair - they finally diagnosed her with Lyme disease and admitted her to hospital for treatment.
She died the next morning.

It was a friend of mine's husband's mother.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 12/23/2017 11:05:57 AM (GMT-7)


astroman
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   Posted 12/23/2017 12:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I herxed five months long and lived to tell about it.

You should get liver alt/ast tested while killing the critters.

I did go off abx (took breaks), while hunting candida. My body could not handle both. I went after candida several times.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again w/with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / repairing / fine tuning since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Did I mention Hashimoto sucks?

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   Posted 12/23/2017 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I would say anything can kill you, but I think the odds of dying from not treating Lyme are higher than dying from a herx.
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