Japanese Knotweed and Estrogen as a Male?

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Maverick6981
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   Posted 12/28/2017 3:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/28/2017 5:08 PM (GMT -6)   
My husband took it (2 droppers full) 3x a day for about 6 months and nothing happened to him.

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Well I guess I should not have said nothing happened to him.... He healed from lyme, or it went into remission.

Maverick6981
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   Posted 12/28/2017 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
My husband took it (2 droppers full) 3x a day for about 6 months and nothing happened to him.


Good to know, thanks!

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   Posted 12/28/2017 10:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes my voice became much higher. Just kidding.

Buhner wrote on his website once that the estrogen effect of Japanese Knotweed is minuscule.

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   Posted 12/29/2017 12:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Maverick6981 said...
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?


Increased Estrogen in men could manifest as man b(o)(o)bs, for one. But, that would probably take a while from Japanese Knotweed. If you're 45 or older, you probably already have elevated Estrogen.

www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/EstrogenArt.htm

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   Posted 12/29/2017 12:48 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
Maverick6981 said...
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?


Increased Estrogen in men could manifest as man b(o)(o)bs, for one. But, that would probably take a while from Japanese Knotweed. If you're 45 or older, you probably already have elevated Estrogen.

www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/EstrogenArt.htm


Well, now I'm thinking I should start taking the Progesterone again.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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   Posted 12/29/2017 12:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
Maverick6981 said...
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?


Increased Estrogen in men could manifest as man b(o)(o)bs, for one. But, that would probably take a while from Japanese Knotweed. If you're 45 or older, you probably already have elevated Estrogen.

www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/EstrogenArt.htm


Well, now I'm thinking I should start taking the Progesterone again.


If you do go that route, here's something to consider:

/drwongsessentials.com/womens-anti-estrogen-dominance-program

I was considering the Karuna Pure Progesterone Cream, for myself. I recently bought the Sinest supplement, but haven't yet started using it.

Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 12/29/2017 7:10:43 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 12/29/2017 1:28 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
Maverick6981 said...
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?


Increased Estrogen in men could manifest as man b(o)(o)bs, for one. But, that would probably take a while from Japanese Knotweed. If you're 45 or older, you probably already have elevated Estrogen.

www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/EstrogenArt.htm


Well, now I'm thinking I should start taking the Progesterone again.


If you do go that route, here's something to consider:

/drwongsessentials.com/womens-anti-estrogen-dominance-program

I was considering the Karuna Pure Estrogen Cream, for myself. I recently bought the Sinest supplement, but haven't yet started using it.


Dude - Estrogen for yourself???

I get my progesterone cream from the compounding Pharmacy in my city. I go back and forth on whether I should be taking it.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 12/29/2017 7:40 AM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
Well I guess I should not have said nothing happened to him.... He healed from lyme, or it went into remission.


PeteZa what brand of knotweed do you two use? I've been getting some variable batches but your family seems to have an easier time with remission! Lol. Just want to make sure I'm using the best product I can based off actual success stories.

As for this topic... I think the hysteria over phytoestrogens is not healthy. They are quite frankly unavoidable in the plant world. Maybe there are certain contraindications but in general I think this fear is the product of applying reductionist speculation to complex plant mixtures. A plant needs to be looked at as a whole entity and not a dead vehicle for drug delivery. The constituents of the plants simply do not have the same effect as their pharmaceutical derivatives would. Much like fruit is good for you, fructose is bad for you. It's the context that makes the difference not the chemical in question. There are so many synergistic and antagonistic relationships among the chemicals in herbs that you can not possibly look at it in a pharmacological light. Anyways, I've been taking Japanese Knotweed for the better half of a year now and no man-boobs yet. And for the record I did have gynecomastia when I was a teen. Real gynecomastia, not pseudo. So... I would suspect I would be pretty vulnerable to these feminizing effects if there were any. But I don't actually know anything about this and so you probably shouldn't take me seriously. But good luck finding someone who actually does know and is not just speculating

smilewinkgrin

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   Posted 12/29/2017 8:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
Maverick6981 said...
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?


Increased Estrogen in men could manifest as man b(o)(o)bs, for one. But, that would probably take a while from Japanese Knotweed. If you're 45 or older, you probably already have elevated Estrogen.

www.totalityofbeing.com/FramelessPages/Articles/EstrogenArt.htm


Well, now I'm thinking I should start taking the Progesterone again.


If you do go that route, here's something to consider:

/drwongsessentials.com/womens-anti-estrogen-dominance-program

I was considering the Karuna Pure Estrogen Cream, for myself. I recently bought the Sinest supplement, but haven't yet started using it.


Dude - Estrogen for yourself???

I get my progesterone cream from the compounding Pharmacy in my city. I go back and forth on whether I should be taking it.


Oh, good grief. I meant to write Progesterone! smile Thank you. I corrected my previous post, too! It was way past my bedtime, when I made that post, and I was pretty loopy!

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   Posted 12/30/2017 2:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Maverick6981 said...
I am seeing some sources saying that JK can increase estrogen? How would this materialize as a male? Are there any signs I should be looking out for? Is it safe to take long-term for men?


If you nervous just take reversatol from grapeseed extract instead which inhibits estrogen. Knotweed has a lot of reversatol and buhner says grapeseed extract does not but he's wrong as there are many brands that are standardized.

That being said knotweed is nowhere close to as estrogenic as kudzu or motherwort or hops from beer.

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   Posted 12/30/2017 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Buhner recommends Japanese knotweed - not just for the Resveratrol....but for what the whole herb provides.
He usually suggests the whole herbs for all the benefits. (except in the case of Artemisinin vs Artemisia Annua)


Here's an older thread discussing it:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3038448&p=2
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 12/30/2017 10:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Psilociraptor said...
PeteZa said...
Well I guess I should not have said nothing happened to him.... He healed from lyme, or it went into remission.


PeteZa what brand of knotweed do you two use? I've been getting some variable batches but your family seems to have an easier time with remission! Lol. Just want to make sure I'm using the best product I can based off actual success stories.

As for this topic... I think the hysteria over phytoestrogens is not healthy. They are quite frankly unavoidable in the plant world. Maybe there are certain contraindications but in general I think this fear is the product of applying reductionist speculation to complex plant mixtures. A plant needs to be looked at as a whole entity and not a dead vehicle for drug delivery. The constituents of the plants simply do not have the same effect as their pharmaceutical derivatives would. Much like fruit is good for you, fructose is bad for you. It's the context that makes the difference not the chemical in question. There are so many synergistic and antagonistic relationships among the chemicals in herbs that you can not possibly look at it in a pharmacological light. Anyways, I've been taking Japanese Knotweed for the better half of a year now and no man-boobs yet. And for the record I did have gynecomastia when I was a teen. Real gynecomastia, not pseudo. So... I would suspect I would be pretty vulnerable to these feminizing effects if there were any. But I don't actually know anything about this and so you probably shouldn't take me seriously. But good luck finding someone who actually does know and is not just speculating

smilewinkgrin


We use Hawaii Pharm. Sometimes I get if from them and sometimes I find that it is on Amazon Prime so I don't have to pay shipping.

I haven't ordered it in months.... we still have some, but aren't doing it now.

We use our herbs now on an as needed basis. When we need them, I want them to work and I don't want to have created a tolerance for them.

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   Posted 12/31/2017 12:27 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
Psilociraptor said...
PeteZa said...
Well I guess I should not have said nothing happened to him.... He healed from lyme, or it went into remission.


PeteZa what brand of knotweed do you two use? I've been getting some variable batches but your family seems to have an easier time with remission! Lol. Just want to make sure I'm using the best product I can based off actual success stories.

As for this topic... I think the hysteria over phytoestrogens is not healthy. They are quite frankly unavoidable in the plant world. Maybe there are certain contraindications but in general I think this fear is the product of applying reductionist speculation to complex plant mixtures. A plant needs to be looked at as a whole entity and not a dead vehicle for drug delivery. The constituents of the plants simply do not have the same effect as their pharmaceutical derivatives would. Much like fruit is good for you, fructose is bad for you. It's the context that makes the difference not the chemical in question. There are so many synergistic and antagonistic relationships among the chemicals in herbs that you can not possibly look at it in a pharmacological light. Anyways, I've been taking Japanese Knotweed for the better half of a year now and no man-boobs yet. And for the record I did have gynecomastia when I was a teen. Real gynecomastia, not pseudo. So... I would suspect I would be pretty vulnerable to these feminizing effects if there were any. But I don't actually know anything about this and so you probably shouldn't take me seriously. But good luck finding someone who actually does know and is not just speculating

smilewinkgrin


We use Hawaii Pharm. Sometimes I get if from them and sometimes I find that it is on Amazon Prime so I don't have to pay shipping.

I haven't ordered it in months.... we still have some, but aren't doing it now.

We use our herbs now on an as needed basis. When we need them, I want them to work and I don't want to have created a tolerance for them.


While herbs are medicine, and should be used as such (not just taking whatever, whenever), using herbs continually will NOT build up a tolerance, as long as it's WHOLE herbs, not extracts of certain constituents of an herb. The best example that is used in Lyme circles is Artemesia annua and arteminisin.

There are many scientific articles that are now saying that arteminisin builds resistance in microbes, where as there is no resistance built up from Artemesia annua. It's whole herb vs extracts.

Herbs like astragalus - the perfect herb for those that want to avoid getting Lyme, or are in the early stages (can cause significant herxing in those with chronic Lyme, so it's not usually suggested for them), can start it and stay on it for as long as needed - as long as it's the whole herb. No resistance will build and - unless the person is allergic to it - it can be used for a very long time.
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