stomach acid issues- caused by abx or by lyme and company

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dbwilco
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   Posted 12/29/2017 5:30 AM (GMT -6)   
since ive been treating over the past 3 years ive developed digestive issues, as have alot of you i assume

started with constant burping and lump in throat, only once had GERD (thanx Astroman-d-limonene)

now its belching and a constant hungry feeling, as well as gas pains....have read that hunger feeling could be stomach acid irritating stomach, leading to ulcer

my issue is whether or not abx is the cause of this? specifically in its ability to allow candida/sibo- bc then i would stop them and go herbal route

OR, is this bart, or lyme or babs causing it, and therefore i need to keep using the big guns (abx) to achieve resolution

i dont want to go on ppi's, and have used hcl and anti-fungals at various times, with different results at different times

to be honest im at the end of my rope, and curious if anyone else has seen this clear p, and how

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:43 AM (GMT -6)   
How long have you been on antibiotics?

And what does your doctor say?

dbwilco
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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:48 AM (GMT -6)   
on/pff abx for 2 yrs.... llmd said i could take prevacid (did for 4 days last month, made me feel worse) or see a GI....i told him i thought it was candida related, which he doubts, as i have done a few rounds of diflucan as part of my lyme pulsing

Girlie
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   Posted 12/29/2017 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
I had some issues with my throat - and it was due to the infections.

I had phlegm that wouldn't clear. It was most likely caused by reflux.

It did get better with treatment and time.

But, it recently came back...

I wonder if the D-Limonene might still be helpful for you?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/29/2017 11:38 AM (GMT -6)   
2 years is a long time to be on antibiotics. If you are having GI problems you really should see a doctor. There are GI problems that can be very serious.

It would give you piece of mind to have it checked. I don't know if the ER is good at that. They may just treat the symptom and tell you to go to a specialist.

Most stomach ulcers are bacterial infections and not caused by stomach acid.

astroman
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   Posted 12/29/2017 2:39 PM (GMT -6)   
When this same (similar) thing happened to me in the past I removed sugar, carbs, fried foods,glutan (to starve gut bugs) and used digetsive enzymes to help digest, magnesium glycinate before bed to assure AM regularity, and again, used D-Limonenine between dinner and bed as it coats the whole stomach lining (this is goggle-able too). Took herbal anti-fungles too.

This was a shotgun approach, but it stopped the cycle. Now I just eat better as a regular diet.

I did have a H-Pylori test (to be on the safe side)which was neg.

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/29/2017 1:42:10 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 12/29/2017 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Astro - what hpylori test did you have?
Is the breath test the one to get?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 12/29/2017 9:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Yep, I blew into a bag.

dbwilco
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   Posted 12/30/2017 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks astroman, thats the general course im using....i have a rife machine as well, so im going after candida....i think thats the culprit, though it could be lyme and co.

KB69
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   Posted 12/30/2017 5:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi dbwilco. I was on oral ABX for 10 months, and had to stop them in the end due to severe gastritis. I had all of the symptoms you mentioned after having been on several meds -- doxy, omnicef, azythromycin, mepron, ceftin and bactrim -- and often on 3 at a time.

I stopped the antibiotics for 6 weeks and worked on healing my gut/boosting my immune system. My stomach healed (though my LLMD thinks I could have had a small ulcer). I didn't have an endoscopy because my symptoms rapidly improved after stopping the medications. I did, however, have a stool test done and did not have candida or parasitical issues, so that useful to rule out.

I am now on intramuscular Bicillin shots, and I think they are really making a difference. They have caused the worst herxes I've ever had, and arriving at the right dose has been a challenge. But, I think I'm getting there.

Just know that Bicillin is a potentially useful ABX should you wish to take a break from orals and have an LLMD who is willing to consider them. It may or may not be covered by your insurance, though in my case it has been.

In the meantime, one product that I really found helpful (because the traditional PPIs didn't seem to help) was Gastrex by Standard Process. It's plant-based (okra, I believe) and really helped heal my stomach as did Slippery Elm power (mixed in water) and Enteromend (which contains aloe vera, L-Glutamine among other things).

Hope you feel better soon,
Kelly

dbwilco
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   Posted 12/31/2017 4:57 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks Kelly,

my LLmD in wilton,ct just mentioned the Bicillin shots to me last visit...to be honest, the thought is not desirable....but thanks for your recommendations

KB69
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   Posted 12/31/2017 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
dbwilco, do you see Dr. P? I was put on a waitlist to see him in 2016 and have an apt. in May. Would you mind if I e-mailed you to ask about your experience with him?

In the meantime, I began working with an LLMD in Northampton, MA, who had worked with Dr. H., and is excellent, so I'm not sure I need to follow-through with Dr. P.

Just a word about Bicillin. I was apprehensive about it at first, but I think it's likely to prove to be very effective for me. It's relatively easy to administer (my husband does the injection) and, if I ice first, it's not overly painful. Just wanted to offer reassurance that if it's something you do consider, my experience -- aside from the herxes -- has been positive (but, even the herxes seem to indicate it's hitting something like nothing else has before).

Hope you can make progress with your stomach issues and get back on track soon. Hang in there.

dbwilco
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   Posted 1/1/2018 9:17 AM (GMT -6)   
kb69, yes I do, sent you an email
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