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mrdude
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   Posted 12/29/2017 6:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,

Background - felt unwell 2 years ago, did 6 months of abx, herxed quite a bit at the start then plateau'd and just felt mostly the same pre-abx.

I have a large metal amalgam in my molar and a root canal right next to it. Has anybody had these removed by a holistic dentist and experienced improvements?

Not saying the teeth are causing the issues but maybe getting in the way of getting better?

Thanks all!

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   
There are many different thoughts on this issue.

I have amalgam fillings and root canal in my mouth and I healed my lyme with herbs. I detox regularly and consistently - as in daily. I also have a "clean" diet.

There are people that have lived long lives with amalgam fillings and joint replacements and breast implants.

Some don't do well with those things at all.

If you are concerned you should discuss it with your LLMD and see what he/she says. Maybe you should be tested for metal toxicity.

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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Are you feeling any pain where the root canal is? Any signs of infection?


Some LLMD's do think that heavy metals can prevent some of us from getting well.
I don't know if one amalgam would do it...but maybe....

Have you treated the co-infections in that 6 months time? Babesia with anti-malarials, as well as Bartonella (two of the big players).

It wouldn't hurt to have the one amalgam removed by a Biological dentist...and not too expensive since it's just one.

I have several amalgams - had one removed in the spring..regular dentist...didn't feel an increase in any of my symptoms after the procedure.
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magoo2
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   Posted 12/29/2017 4:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Many lyme docs start with removing root canals. Its a dead piece of your sitting in your body with no blood flow. A constant source of smoldering infection that will wear down your immune system. Don't go years without addressing it. It clearly isn't adding to your health



See a biological dds-who uses prp and ozone. Its best to get this done right the first time.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/29/2017 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...


See a biological dds-who uses prp and ozone. Its best to get this done right the first time.


Magoo,

What is prp?

Girlie
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   Posted 12/29/2017 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
magoo2 said...


See a biological dds-who uses prp and ozone. Its best to get this done right the first time.


Magoo,

What is prp?


I'm guessing Platelet rich plasma?
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Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

mrdude
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   Posted 12/29/2017 9:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your responses guys.

I mentioned my amalgam to my LLMD and he prescribed me some things to take for clearing the metals from the body.

The dentist website doesn't have much info about removing root canals and metal fillings.

I have a consulte in January and will keep you all updated.

I will say I don't have specific symptoms relating to the one tooth but I have certain neurological issues and my teeth sometimes to get random little 10 second unexplained pains and they also chatter with my heartbeat. These things never happened prior to my symptoms starting.

magoo2
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   Posted 12/29/2017 9:25 PM (GMT -6)   
yes PRP is Platelet rich plasma.

Greatly helps the healing.


If you never checked out the dental meridian chart you should. Its based of TCM and often lines up with symptoms. It matched me perfectly. Just google it if you are interested.

Post Edited (magoo2) : 12/29/2017 8:28:32 PM (GMT-7)


mrdude
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   Posted 12/31/2017 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Bumping - curious to see if anyone has an anecdotal account of dealing with teeth issues and their health subsequently improving.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 8:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey, look at our screen names! Maybe we're related! smile

I had a root canal, years ago, and suffered with pain for nine years. Finally, I had a Biological Dentist remove the tooth and I've been pain-free since.

The same Dentist replaced all my amalgam fillings with composites. While the Dentist shared some stories of amazing health improvements by some patients who had their amalgams removed, I was not one of them. But, while unscientific, I felt better knowing that the amalgams were out of my body.

If you search Google for "toxic teeth," you will find a book with a similar title, an article on Mercola.com, and a YouTube video by Dr. Thomas Levy who explains the connection between root canals and cardiovascular disease. If you watch Dr. Levy's video, also look on the right side of the page for related videos from him. I think they will be worth your time.

Good luck, friend.
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magoo2
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   Posted 12/31/2017 8:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I cured my stomach issues. I went from 148 to 200lbs

Go to Dr Rowens YouTube channels and you can see 20 or 30 patients talking about their experience with cleaning up dental

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/31/2017 9:58 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
I cured my stomach issues. I went from 148 to 200lbs

Go to Dr Rowens YouTube channels and you can see 20 or 30 patients talking about their experience with cleaning up dental


magoo,

What stomach issues did the dental work cure? Was it because of heavy metals or because of bacterial infections in your mouth?

I'm planning to see a biological dentist to see about removing amalgams. I have a suspicion, though, that there are infections in some of my teeth because of odd symptoms in my mouth. How does the dentist check your mouth other than X-rays?

magoo2
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   Posted 12/31/2017 10:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Infections were my issue-smelled like death. regular dds missed it.
Eav and cavitat showed the infection

Post Edited (magoo2) : 12/31/2017 9:05:19 PM (GMT-7)


PeteZa
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   Posted 12/31/2017 10:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is a site to help anyone in search of a biological dentist -- /iaomt.org/for-patients/search/

caramba
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   Posted 12/31/2017 11:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I removed them all, and did mercury detox. I think it helped overall with my energy but not a wow that was massive type of a improvement. if you have the budget, do it.

Caramba

mrdude
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   Posted 1/2/2018 1:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Just bumping once again to see if anyone else has input - thanks so much for all your responses.

Kct
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   Posted 1/2/2018 1:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't think there's enough evidence to go to that extreme, unless your mercury is off the charts. In that case chelating is the choice but some practioners wont chelate you unless you have them taken out. Clinically I think that is unethical because I dont think the science is that strong. I've been a PA-C for 35 years. I also have 3 root canals, and several amalgam fillings and a few crowns. I had my provoked heavy metals tested and with all my amalgam etc my levels were only mild to moderate. for which my Integrative MD was only recommending using food to detox.

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   Posted 1/2/2018 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Kct said...
I don't think there's enough evidence to go to that extreme, unless your mercury is off the charts. In that case chelating is the choice but some practioners wont chelate you unless you have them taken out. Clinically I think that is unethical because I dont think the science is that strong. I've been a PA-C for 35 years. I also have 3 root canals, and several amalgam fillings and a few crowns. I had my provoked heavy metals tested and with all my amalgam etc my levels were only mild to moderate. for which my Integrative MD was only recommending using food to detox.



i've read that doing the heavy metal protocol with a lot of amalgams - it can make things worse - by mobilizing more mercury into your system.

Hard to know what to do...really.

I did have my amalgam replaced because it was compromised...I'm leaving the others' alone for now.
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   Posted 1/2/2018 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I replaced my metal fillings because there was a lot of talk about them being negative to overall health, unfortunately, I didn't notice any improvement to my health afterward. I thought the fillings were linked to my AI issues, fatigue, migraines & IBD, but looking back, replacement wasn't a great idea for me. I have more sensitivity now. I actually ended up needing a root canal in two molars because of the deep fillings that were replaced... I'd love to not have any root canals, but there is no way I would ever sit through a procedure to remove them unless absolutely necessary. For me, dental work is the worst. I'd have to be under GA.

How do you remove a root canal? An extraction? Imagine going to that extent and not getting better? Then you're out a tooth, and you need an implant, all your teeth will shift if you don't pay a ton for the implant & I would imagine the implant itself contains some metals. I would be open to seeing a holistic dentist, but I notice they don't accept insurance.
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   Posted 1/2/2018 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
notsosicklygirl said...
I replaced my metal fillings because there was a lot of talk about them being negative to overall health, unfortunately, I didn't notice any improvement to my health afterward. I thought the fillings were linked to my AI issues, fatigue, migraines & IBD, but looking back, replacement wasn't a great idea for me. I have more sensitivity now. I actually ended up needing a root canal in two molars because of the deep fillings that were replaced... I'd love to not have any root canals, but there is no way I would ever sit through a procedure to remove them unless absolutely necessary. For me, dental work is the worst. I'd have to be under GA.

How do you remove a root canal? An extraction? Imagine going to that extent and not getting better? Then you're out a tooth, and you need an implant, all your teeth will shift if you don't pay a ton for the implant & I would imagine the implant itself contains some metals. I would be open to seeing a holistic dentist, but I notice they don't accept insurance.


Yes, that's the problem of replacement...you end up losing a bit more of the tooth...and then sensitivity...and sometimes root canals.

It's not an easy decision.

Yes, you extract the root canal substance...then you either do a bridge or an implant. Either Titanium or Zirconium.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

magoo2
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   Posted 1/2/2018 4:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Root canals always harbor infection. The only question is if your immune system an handle it.
Which is why many lyme docs require you to remove all root canals.

Safe the patient not the tooth.

mrdude
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   Posted 1/3/2018 1:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you once again for all your responses, I have a consult soon so I will see what the holistic dentist says.

Have a read of this guys - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28641283

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   Posted 1/3/2018 1:46 AM (GMT -6)   
mrdude said...
Thank you once again for all your responses, I have a consult soon so I will see what the holistic dentist says.

Have a read of this guys - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28641283


Wow!
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

magoo2
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   Posted 1/3/2018 7:56 AM (GMT -6)   
WOW-
So I know Dr Rau and Dr. Yu two kind of famous alt docs. When a friend got als I asked both what if anything could be done. Both said to quickly and aggressively do a dental cleanup of metals and root canals. Both said or implied that was only chance.
A patient of Dr Yu wrote a book on beating ALS-started with removing root canals. I forget the name of the book but the patient;s name is Ron.
if I got ALS-aggressive dental!

mrdude
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   Posted 1/3/2018 10:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you have any links Magoo, to what you are referring to? Sounds quite interesting.

For anyone who has not read the pubmed I linked, please do so if possible.
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