URGENT - Augmentin okay???

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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/29/2017 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
My "cold" didn't go away and started getting worse, so I went to the ENT just now and he prescribed Augmentin for a likely secondary bacterial infection. Is Augmentin okay for someone with Lyme, bart, babesia, erlichia, C. Pneumonia, mycoplasma pneumonia?

For some reason I think I remember reading in one of Buhner's books or somewhere that Augmentin with one of the infections could have very bad consequences but it may have been regarding acute vs. chronic infection. Anyone know about this?

tickbite666
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   Posted 12/29/2017 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
My LLMD once prescribed Augmentin in combo with Zith and Mepron. Caused severe AAD and stopped. My PCP said it was probably the Clav portion of the blend that caused the reaction.

Let us know how you make out.

Girlie
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   Posted 12/29/2017 3:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't see any problem taking it.

I took it last year after I got a bad cat bite that infected.

It didn't affect me adversely.

Just an FYI - I wouldn't necessarily follow Buhner with regard to abx - I have read a few bits by him that weren't accurate.

** Augmentin is in the ILADS Lyme Treatment Guidelines. (Burrascano)
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 12/29/2017 2:44:03 PM (GMT-7)


insomniaaa
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   Posted 12/29/2017 5:33 PM (GMT -6)   
So how long should Augmentin be taken and in what dosage if infected by Lyme and coinfections?

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   Posted 12/29/2017 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
insomniaaa said...
So how long should Augmentin be taken and in what dosage if infected by Lyme and coinfections?


I don't think it's standard - I haven't seen it mentioned on hear or anyone I've personally talked to.

From the guidelines:


*Augmentin- Standard Augmentin cannot exceed three tablets daily due to the
clavulanate, thus is given with amoxicillin, so that the total dose of the amoxicillin component is as listed above for amoxicillin. This combination can be effective when Bb beta lactamase is felt to be significant.
*Augmentin XR 1000- This is a time-release formulation and thus is a better choice than standard Augmentin.
Dose- 1000 mg q 8 h, to 2000 mg q 12 h based on blood levels
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

insomniaaa
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   Posted 12/29/2017 5:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I believe it's usually given to children with a classic bullseye rash.

According to the manual it shouldn't be taken for longer than 2 weeks. Probably due to toxicity of the clavulanic acid.
I saw someone on this forum took it for 6 weeks. I don't know if I could handle it that long.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 12/29/2017 5:00:43 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 12/29/2017 6:29 PM (GMT -6)   
insomniaaa said...
I believe it's usually given to children with a classic bullseye rash.

According to the manual it shouldn't be taken for longer than 2 weeks. Probably due to toxicity of the clavulanic acid.
I saw someone on this forum took it for 6 weeks. I don't know if I could handle it that long.


For children, I usually see Amoxicillin alone - not the combo (Augmentin)

Actually for adults, as well - i usually see just Amoxicillin.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 12/29/2017 5:33:23 PM (GMT-7)


WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/29/2017 8:12 PM (GMT -6)   
It was prescribed for me for an acute sinus infection. Bottle says Amocicillin and Clavulanate Potassium 875mg / 125 mg twice a day for 10 days. Precautions say to tell doctor especially of liver disease, kidney disease, and infectious mononucleosis. That's EBV right?

I'm worried. My liver enzymes were a little elevated right after Thanksgiving. Yesterday and today, I've had orange poo and some soreness in my lower back on both sides in the kidney area. I'm planning to take the first dose tonight. I hope it's not going to hurt me.

Also I just looked in Buhner's books to see if I could find any important information on it. I have chlamydia and mycoplasma pneumonia. I was thinking the Augmentin might at least knock those down some, but was bummed to see it's not effective on the pneumonias. I just hope this stuff helps more than it harms. Also warnings of c. diff on the Rx sheet.

PDXtransplant
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   Posted 12/29/2017 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Augmentin is what caused my ER trips, well, I guess lyme technically caused it, but it was my body's reaction to the augmentin, and what they called antibiotic caused hepatitis. it was just prior to being diagnosed with lyme. Mine was also prescribed to me for a sinus infection.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
PDXtransplant said...
Augmentin is what caused my ER trips, well, I guess lyme technically caused it, but it was my body's reaction to the augmentin, and what they called antibiotic caused hepatitis. it was just prior to being diagnosed with lyme. Mine was also prescribed to me for a sinus infection.


What symptoms did it cause that sent you to the ER? Did the hepatitis go away or was it permanent?

PDXtransplant
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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
It was a combo of things. I almost fainted/had a racing heartrate and while I was in the ER they found out my liver enzymes were 10x normal. I was sent to a hepatologist who said augmentin can sometimes cause that to happen. Rare, but sometimes. I think it was actually the lyme. maybe a severe herx?? I read an article about such reactions in acute cases of lyme with augmentin. My liver enzymes returned to normal after a couple of weeks once I was off augmentin. Once I was diagnosed, I was on amox, cefdinir, doxy with no impact to my liver.

hdbits
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   Posted 12/30/2017 5:45 AM (GMT -6)   
augmentin is direct choice with clari for lyme:
augmentin killing lyme wall of cells and killing EB of chlamydie

augmentin is best choice for treatment and it have to be in treatment scheme

dosing is = 1-0-1

1000Daisies
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   Posted 12/30/2017 10:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi WBF. I'm really sorry to hear that it turned into a secondary bacterial infection. Just what u need, huh?

I'm no expert on Augmentin. I don't believe my kids have been on it for lyme related stuff, but I do believe they have been on it a few times for other regular kid ailments. We haven't noticed any complications from taking it the few times (they all have had lyme/etc at the same time since they've all had it for many years).

And the logical thing would be to ask me what they all have. But given there is no reliable testing for most coinfections, I feel like I'm guessing most of the time on that. They are all positive for lyme, but I suspect bartonella and babesia all play a bigger factor for us though.

Super sorry that you are still sick. Many healing {{{HUGS}}} sent your way!

And I'm sorry I miss replying to some of your posts. I'm not always on a computer, and I try to go back and find posts... but sadly, I miss replying on yours (and others). I feel badly about that! But please know you are in my thoughts! And I truly wish you the best in healing from this.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.
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