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dacarte3
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   Posted 12/30/2017 8:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello my fellow lymies,

Long story short.....my mother has lyme disease but doesn't acknowledge it as such. My mom got lyme a year before my symptoms started. I got sick only after visiting her (a year after she got sick). I believe it's the various vectors that can carry lyme that live in and around her house.

The difference is I got tested where I now have proof of my lyme disease however my mom never went this route.

I now live with her (in a totally different house) and she is always complaining about different symptoms. She has arthritis in her fingers, a bum knee, dizzy spells, fatigue, and somewhat frequent sleep disturbances (she mentioned to me recently, now matter how much sleep she gets it's not restful). All things that didn't occur before lyme.

I always try to inform her of what I do (or have done) for these very lymie symptoms that helped me. But subconsciously she has always semi-dismissed it because to her we don't have the same thing (but we do of course).

However, she is now finally coming around. After 3 years she getting really fed up with these symptoms is now open to lyme related herbs.

I already have her on a lot of the same supplements I take, Vit D, E, zinc, and EGCG. And I mentioned how I can get an herb that helps with the lack of energy. We wont get too crazy with all this lyme stuff but just an herb specifically for this. And she agreed.

So the point of this post is to get other people's recommendation of what herbs are best for specifically fatigue and providing higher energy levels.

Thanks in advance.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

Post Edited (dacarte3) : 12/30/2017 6:10:49 PM (GMT-7)


astroman
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   Posted 12/30/2017 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
No simple answer here, sorry, but I'll explane-

I dont know about lyme specific ones for energy, how ever I do know about your regular "complimentary medicine" herbs for energy. The choice first comes from where the energy is lacking. And this is different for us.

**First step with ANY energy issues is to get a conventional thyroid panel blood work test done. TSH with free T3 and Free T4. If the last two are low (will make TSH go up), then get thyroid antibody tests TPO and TG done.

Energy issues noted with lyme are usually:
1)Endocrine- Thyroid, blood sugar, adrenals
2)Neurotransmitter imbalance from what lyme does to organs and its toxic debris side effect

Treating the above helps as well as detoxing.

There is no answer for everyone. Self experimenting is needed.

Rhoidilia, Ashwagonda and the three different Gensings might give some the right amount of energy, while it might be too much for others. Dont know till you try. Amino acid L-Theanine has a more calm clarity energy than some others, it works well combined with caffeine (takes the caffeine edge off).

If fatigue is coupled with nervousness- then natural anxiety calmers can be used.

If fatigue comes with depression- then natural antidepressants can be used.

As you can see, it would not be uncommon to use several, for different areas.

You might need to ask her some more detailed questions to chose what to use.

Post Edited (astroman) : 12/30/2017 6:40:14 PM (GMT-7)


dacarte3
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   Posted 12/30/2017 8:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes there's several reasons why this could happen. One you didn't mention that I thought about is her mitochondria health (the powerhouse of our cells). This can cause fatigue as well.

I'll have to see when she last got her thyroid tested.

However, when it comes to my mother, the more complicated it gets the less she will be willing to do things.

So it may just be hit or miss with herbs. Trial and error.
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

dacarte3
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   Posted 12/31/2017 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
bump
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

PeteZa
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   Posted 12/31/2017 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
decarte there are many herbs for energy..... I did them in the 70s during exams week. I don't recommend any of them. They were mostly caffeine type and not good for you. Way back then we were taking guarana powder and mixing it in hot chocolate. Crazy era and we were crazy college kids.

The best way for her to get her energy back is to treat lyme.

You need to treat what is causing the symptom as best you can, not just a pill or herb to cover up the symptom.

First defense is diet. Eating well. Detoxing is just as important as taking in nourishment. Taking herbs to help heal body functions is great.

I am not a fan of taking stimulants at all. They overtax the body and if you have lyme, you are overtaxing an already weakened body. Not a good idea.

You might get her on healing lyme herbs and tell her that in time she will gain more energy. Which, in all honesty, is true.

dacarte3
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   Posted 12/31/2017 2:54 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
decarte there are many herbs for energy..... I did them in the 70s during exams week. I don't recommend any of them. They were mostly caffeine type and not good for you. Way back then we were taking guarana powder and mixing it in hot chocolate. Crazy era and we were crazy college kids.

The best way for her to get her energy back is to treat lyme.

You need to treat what is causing the symptom as best you can, not just a pill or herb to cover up the symptom.

First defense is diet. Eating well. Detoxing is just as important as taking in nourishment. Taking herbs to help heal body functions is great.

I am not a fan of taking stimulants at all. They overtax the body and if you have lyme, you are overtaxing an already weakened body. Not a good idea.

You might get her on healing lyme herbs and tell her that in time she will gain more energy. Which, in all honesty, is true.


With my mom, masking a symptom is as far as I've gotten.

An overall comprehensive lyme treatment is not realistic (right now).
Lyme (Igenex) - Positive IFA and WB bands 23, 31, 41
Ehrlichia (Igenex)
Mycoplasma (Labcorp) - Score: 595

ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

astroman
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   Posted 12/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
dacarte3 said...
Yes there's several reasons why this could happen. One you didn't mention that I thought about is her mitochondria health (the powerhouse of our cells). This can cause fatigue as well.

I'll have to see when she last got her thyroid tested.

However, when it comes to my mother, the more complicated it gets the less she will be willing to do things.

So it may just be hit or miss with herbs. Trial and error.


If she has any recent thyroid test results, post them if you want to. Anything older than 6 months is useless in chronic illness as far as thyroid goes, but helps in seeing any patterns.

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You can treat and kill all these infections and still have low thyroid.

**So NO,... treating will not always make all of your energy come back by itself. Even if the body wants to. Some cases yes, some cases partially**

Mitochondia is very complicated and again it has many things that can contribute to its deficiency. Many cases (sub categories)of true Mito disease are detectable by a specialized mito Dr. There are less than 100 in the united states. I saw one and the "conventional" mito testing I received appeared to normal results. Yet my energy was very low and had muscle aches. I ventured into these deeper and even attended a mito group, which I learned, they (the mito community and Drs) do not understand this syndrome/disease. Another endless rabbit hole.

I would think mito damage from whatever reason would show up in there testing. I did get plenty of free "mito" gene testing though, which I was also in good shape. sigh.
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