EBV: To Treat or Not to Treat?

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medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 12/31/2017 10:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Newbie on this forum...

I had gone to one of those sham Lyme clinic's this past summer (Envita in Scottsdale, AZ) and they treated my past EBV infection with Valtrex. After that I spoke with a well renowned doctor briefly on the phone and asked him why they would have treated a past infection, and was it warranted. His answer: no, not warranted to treat, even though titers are high. What this doctor stated, is what I agree with. I'm a former medical lab scientist (now totally disabled with Lyme disease, Bartonella, and 4 species of toxic mold; all confirmed through testing), and yes my titers are high, but I believe that's because Lyme disease activated them. Seems simple enough to understand.

So now I'm with my 6th doctor rolleyes and this new doctor said EBV is the ROOT CAUSE of all my problems. WHAT!?! Are you high, doctor? Lyme disease is the root cause. EBV is a past infection and as per my labs, is not an active infection! Yes, I had mononucleosis as a child, while also sick with strep throat and chicken pox. Yep! The Varicella Zoster (Herpes family) virus is there too.

Am I wrong? Is the renowned lyme and mold doctor wrong?

EBV Ab VCA IgM <36 (negative)
EBV Early Antigen Ab, IgG <9 (negative)
EBV Ab VCA, IgG = 410 (high positive)
EBV Nuclear Antigen Ab, IgG = 154 (high positive)

All of this signifies to me and the renowned doctor, but not my present or past doctors, that it's a past infection, that has been heightened by Lyme disease. It's not truly an issue, and I don't want to be treated for something I don't have an issue with.

I'm looking for evidence as to why EBV should be named as my ROOT CAUSE for all my illnesses and why it shouldn't be treated. I have an appointment on the 5th with this guy, and I can't justify more than half what he's diagnosed me with, because his diagnosis came from muscle testing (applied kinesiology), which is not scientific by any means. The problem? I'm on a private disability policy from an insurance company, and I need a doctor to attest that I'm very ill (which I am) so that I can keep getting the money I earned from paying into for almost 12 years. Everything in my scientific brain, says forget it. I can't compromise my integrity just to keep getting the money I'm owed, but how can I survive without that monthly income? I digressed here, but I would like an opinion on the EBV.

Please advise,

Thank you greatly!

Post Edited (medlabscientist_topatient) : 12/31/2017 6:59:22 PM (GMT-7)


PeteZa
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   Posted 12/31/2017 10:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey there scientist, so very sorry you are ailing.

EBV doesn’t cause problems unless immune system functions have been disrupted. I think MANY of us have the virus in us and when our immune system is compromised, it can raise its ugly head.

Check out this article. It is long but worthy. /rawlsmd.com/health-articles/epstein-barr-virus-a-key-player-in-chronic-illness

As for disability, well, from what I have read, you probably will do better to say you have something other than lyme disease. Here is an article that might be helpful. /www.disabilitysecrets.com/social-security-disability-lyme-disease.html

Post Edited (PeteZa) : 12/31/2017 11:54:00 AM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 12/31/2017 11:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi there!

Just posting to let you know I replied to you on the other thread you posted in.
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Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
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Traveler
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   Posted 12/31/2017 12:49 PM (GMT -6)   
If you look into EBV and what it can do to the body, I would suggest that if Lyme reactivated it, it seriously needs to be treated. Are all of your issues caused by it? Not likely, not if you have a positive test for Lyme or have a good clinical diagnosis, or mold too. But, if it's been reactivated, then it's active in your system. But,. if those are tests recently done, then I'd say that your infection has not been reactivated - it's like you said, a past infection.

It's easier to copy and paste than to try to describe how to find this info on the page (LOL), so here goes! It may be easier to read by going to the site though, just look under "What does the test result mean?"
/labtestsonline.org/tests/epstein-barr-virus-ebv-antibody-tests


What does the test result mean?
Care must be taken when interpreting results of EBV antibody testing. The signs and symptoms as well as the medical history of the person tested must be taken into account. A healthcare practitioner may consult a specialist in infectious diseases, specifically one who is experienced with EBV testing.

If someone is positive for VCA-IgM antibodies, then it is likely that the person has an EBV infection and it may be early in the course of the illness. If the individual also has symptoms associated with mono, then it is most likely that the person will be diagnosed with mono, even if the mono test was negative.

If someone has positive VCA-IgG and EA-D IgG tests, then it is highly likely that the person has a current or recent EBV infection.

If the VCA-IgM is negative but VCA-IgG and an EBNA antibody are positive, then it is likely that the person tested had a previous EBV infection.

If an individual is asymptomatic and negative for VCA-IgG, then that person has likely not been previously exposed to EBV and is vulnerable to infection.

In general, rising VCA-IgG levels tend to indicate an active EBV infection, while falling concentrations tend to indicate a recent EBV infection that is resolving. However, care must be taken with interpreting EBV antibody concentrations because the amount of antibody present does not correlate with the severity of the infection or with the length of time it will last. High levels of VCA-IgG may be present and may persist at that concentration for the rest of a person's life.

Below, examples of some results are provided in table form.

Test results most likely indicate the following:
VCA-IgM VCA-IgG EA-D, IgG EBNA, IgG Possible Interpretation
Negative Negative Negative Negative No infection, symptoms due to another cause, susceptible to EBV infection

Positive Positive Negative Negative Early, primary infection

Neg. or pos. Positive Positive Negative Active infection, though EA-D IgG may persist for life in about 20% of people

Negative Positive Negative Positive Past infection

Negative Positive Positive Positive May indicate reactivation of virus

(It doesn't look like the site will allow me to keep the spacing needed for this chart - sorry!!)
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, medlabscientist_topatient:

Welcome to our community. I'm sorry that you're so sick and having to deal with so much. I'm glad that you found us, though.

If you've not yet had a chance to do so, when you're able, please take a look at the following thread:

New to Lyme? Start Here!

It's full of good information from some smart forum members.

As for Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), I would also recommend the above articles that PeteZa mentioned. Here's another article on EBV that may interest you, as it did me:

The Medical Medium—and What’s Potentially at the Root of Medical Mysteries

NOTE: I acknowledge the desire to roll one's eyes at the above article! rolleyes But, I've spent many years stuck in the quicksand of 'conventional' care without making much progress, before 'alternative' care threw me a rope. Now, I do think we need both. But, we need to know when to choose each of them.

Finally, as you're a Scientist, I humbly suggest that you remain open to all information, examine the data for yourself, apply what's helpful, and leave everything else. There are many other intelligent folks on this forum and they donate their time to help others -- no one is getting paid. And, many of us are still sick, too.

I wish you all the best for a quick and successful recovery!

Sincerely,
The Dude

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 1:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
If you look into EBV and what it can do to the body, I would suggest that if Lyme reactivated it, it seriously needs to be treated. Are all of your issues caused by it? Not likely, not if you have a positive test for Lyme or have a good clinical diagnosis, or mold too. But, if it's been reactivated, then it's active in your system. But,. if those are tests recently done, then I'd say that your infection has not been reactivated - it's like you said, a past infection.

It's easier to copy and paste than to try to describe how to find this info on the page (LOL), so here goes! It may be easier to read by going to the site though, just look under "What does the test result mean?"
/labtestsonline.org/tests/epstein-barr-virus-ebv-antibody-tests


What does the test result mean?
Care must be taken when interpreting results of EBV antibody testing. The signs and symptoms as well as the medical history of the person tested must be taken into account. A healthcare practitioner may consult a specialist in infectious diseases, specifically one who is experienced with EBV testing.

If someone is positive for VCA-IgM antibodies, then it is likely that the person has an EBV infection and it may be early in the course of the illness. If the individual also has symptoms associated with mono, then it is most likely that the person will be diagnosed with mono, even if the mono test was negative.

If someone has positive VCA-IgG and EA-D IgG tests, then it is highly likely that the person has a current or recent EBV infection.

If the VCA-IgM is negative but VCA-IgG and an EBNA antibody are positive, then it is likely that the person tested had a previous EBV infection.

If an individual is asymptomatic and negative for VCA-IgG, then that person has likely not been previously exposed to EBV and is vulnerable to infection.

In general, rising VCA-IgG levels tend to indicate an active EBV infection, while falling concentrations tend to indicate a recent EBV infection that is resolving. However, care must be taken with interpreting EBV antibody concentrations because the amount of antibody present does not correlate with the severity of the infection or with the length of time it will last. High levels of VCA-IgG may be present and may persist at that concentration for the rest of a person's life.

Below, examples of some results are provided in table form.

Test results most likely indicate the following:
VCA-IgM VCA-IgG EA-D, IgG EBNA, IgG Possible Interpretation
Negative Negative Negative Negative No infection, symptoms due to another cause, susceptible to EBV infection

Positive Positive Negative Negative Early, primary infection

Neg. or pos. Positive Positive Negative Active infection, though EA-D IgG may persist for life in about 20% of people

Negative Positive Negative Positive Past infection

Negative Positive Positive Positive May indicate reactivation of virus

(It doesn't look like the site will allow me to keep the spacing needed for this chart - sorry!!)


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Traveler
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   Posted 12/31/2017 1:28 PM (GMT -6)   
LOL!! Hi Dude!!! I do hope you are doing well!!!
Thanks for that! I've been off studying and learning and want to share what I can to help out a bit!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I cut-and-pasted the information that Traveler posted into a new table and uploaded to Dropbox. I think I have the columns correct, but please let me know if any corrections need to be made:

/www.dropbox.com/s/lvqkcuowkgnrmja/Traveler-EBV.jpg

Once the image loads, you should be able to see the Zoom feature at the bottom of the screen. Zoom to 100% to make it less fuzzy.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
LOL!! Hi Dude!!! I do hope you are doing well!!!
Thanks for that! I've been off studying and learning and want to share what I can to help out a bit!


Unfortunately, there were no emoticons with hearts or roses. smile It's always great to see your name. I'm hanging-in, thanks. I recently made some changes that will allow me to spend more time on healing. I hope you and hubby are well. This is a good reminder for me to visit your forum and check-up on you!

Oh, look what I found...hearts and roses.

♥🌹♡,
The Dude

Traveler
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   Posted 12/31/2017 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounds like some good changes, even if they were hard ones to make!

Hubby is doing amazingly well!!! (for those that don't know, my hubby had early Lyme, was treated successfully, and went on to have two major surgeries last year and has not relapsed!!)

I'm doing well with my adrenal and thyroid healing (and loosing some weight!!! YAY!!) and am boosting my immune system to help deal with whatever may still be left. Most symptoms seem to be more related to adrenal and thyroid issues right now, although I do have a sneaky suspicion that I have mycoplasma, so I'm on low levels of supplements and such to treat it.

Dude, you would be more than welcome to come visit!! Anyone is welcome to come visit me!! It doesn't mean that you have to post there often, or at all if you don't wish. It's just another place to share information, and I have the ability to post about advocacy - something that I deeply believe in with these diseases. We are a small group though, so there's not a lot of 'traffic' on there (yet, hopefully), so if you need a larger "audience" to pose questions to, it's good to stay here, safe with Girlie and the other wonderful people that are helping out.

Thank you so much for creating that new Dropbox link!! I didn't think of that!!

I've never been able to figure out how to post images on here, so here is a link for all:

/pics.onsizzle.com/some-hearts-understand-each-other-even-in-silence-sesi-wellness-7240000.png
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 12/31/2017 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I found this today during my mega research mode this morning! Thank you! As for disability, I am currently on a private disability insurance policy, but they have been dishonest with me about numerous things, so I am left with either my new doctor, whom I don't agree with on numerous things, signing the yearly attending physician statement on my visit on the 5th of January, or I get kicked from the policy. I'm having a scientific ethical dilemma here.

Thanks for your help! It's much appreciated!

PeteZa said...
Hey there scientist, so very sorry you are ailing.

EBV doesn’t cause problems unless immune system functions have been disrupted. I think MANY of us have the virus in us and when our immune system is compromised, it can raise its ugly head.

Check out this article. It is long but worthy. /rawlsmd.com/health-articles/epstein-barr-virus-a-key-player-in-chronic-illness

As for disability, well, from what I have read, you probably will do better to say you have something other than lyme disease. Here is an article that might be helpful. /www.disabilitysecrets.com/social-security-disability-lyme-disease.html

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 12/31/2017 7:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Traveler. So, previous infection. Just as I read it off my labs. I just don't believe it needs to be treated at all. This will be a huge issue with this doctor, since he is saying that EBV is the root cause of all my illnesses, when it's not even an active infection. Oh boy...time to search for a new Lyme doctor for the 7th time...



Traveler said...
If you look into EBV and what it can do to the body, I would suggest that if Lyme reactivated it, it seriously needs to be treated. Are all of your issues caused by it? Not likely, not if you have a positive test for Lyme or have a good clinical diagnosis, or mold too. But, if it's been reactivated, then it's active in your system. But,. if those are tests recently done, then I'd say that your infection has not been reactivated - it's like you said, a past infection.

It's easier to copy and paste than to try to describe how to find this info on the page (LOL), so here goes! It may be easier to read by going to the site though, just look under "What does the test result mean?"
/labtestsonline.org/tests/epstein-barr-virus-ebv-antibody-tests


What does the test result mean?
Care must be taken when interpreting results of EBV antibody testing. The signs and symptoms as well as the medical history of the person tested must be taken into account. A healthcare practitioner may consult a specialist in infectious diseases, specifically one who is experienced with EBV testing.

If someone is positive for VCA-IgM antibodies, then it is likely that the person has an EBV infection and it may be early in the course of the illness. If the individual also has symptoms associated with mono, then it is most likely that the person will be diagnosed with mono, even if the mono test was negative.

If someone has positive VCA-IgG and EA-D IgG tests, then it is highly likely that the person has a current or recent EBV infection.

If the VCA-IgM is negative but VCA-IgG and an EBNA antibody are positive, then it is likely that the person tested had a previous EBV infection.

If an individual is asymptomatic and negative for VCA-IgG, then that person has likely not been previously exposed to EBV and is vulnerable to infection.

In general, rising VCA-IgG levels tend to indicate an active EBV infection, while falling concentrations tend to indicate a recent EBV infection that is resolving. However, care must be taken with interpreting EBV antibody concentrations because the amount of antibody present does not correlate with the severity of the infection or with the length of time it will last. High levels of VCA-IgG may be present and may persist at that concentration for the rest of a person's life.

Below, examples of some results are provided in table form.

Test results most likely indicate the following:
VCA-IgM VCA-IgG EA-D, IgG EBNA, IgG Possible Interpretation
Negative Negative Negative Negative No infection, symptoms due to another cause, susceptible to EBV infection

Positive Positive Negative Negative Early, primary infection

Neg. or pos. Positive Positive Negative Active infection, though EA-D IgG may persist for life in about 20% of people

Negative Positive Negative Positive Past infection

Negative Positive Positive Positive May indicate reactivation of virus

(It doesn't look like the site will allow me to keep the spacing needed for this chart - sorry!!)

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 12/31/2017 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Even though I am a scientist, I am extremely open to all options of treatment and recovery. I even did Bee Venom therapy for a while, before a doctor told me to stop because my immune system was highly overactive. I used essential oils, I take herbs, I take tumeric and kratom for my unbelievable pain. I believe Stephen Buhner is a genius. Science isn't stoping me from trying anything. smile Thank you for the link to the wonderful and very helpful article on EBV! smile


The Dude Abides said...
Hello, medlabscientist_topatient:

Welcome to our community. I'm sorry that you're so sick and having to deal with so much. I'm glad that you found us, though.

If you've not yet had a chance to do so, when you're able, please take a look at the following thread:

New to Lyme? Start Here!

It's full of good information from some smart forum members.

As for Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), I would also recommend the above articles that PeteZa mentioned. Here's another article on EBV that may interest you, as it did me:

The Medical Medium—and What’s Potentially at the Root of Medical Mysteries

NOTE: I acknowledge the desire to roll one's eyes at the above article! rolleyes But, I've spent many years stuck in the quicksand of 'conventional' care without making much progress, before 'alternative' care threw me a rope. Now, I do think we need both. But, we need to know when to choose each of them.

Finally, as you're a Scientist, I humbly suggest that you remain open to all information, examine the data for yourself, apply what's helpful, and leave everything else. There are many other intelligent folks on this forum and they donate their time to help others -- no one is getting paid. And, many of us are still sick, too.

I wish you all the best for a quick and successful recovery!

Sincerely,
The Dude

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 8:04 PM (GMT -6)   
medlabscientist_topatient said...
Even though I am a scientist, I am extremely open to all options of treatment and recovery. I even did Bee Venom therapy for a while, before a doctor told me to stop because my immune system was highly overactive. I used essential oils, I take herbs, I take tumeric and kratom for my unbelievable pain. I believe Stephen Buhner is a genius. Science isn't stoping me from trying anything. smile


The Dude Abides said...
Hello, medlabscientist_topatient:

Welcome to our community. I'm sorry that you're so sick and having to deal with so much. I'm glad that you found us, though.

If you've not yet had a chance to do so, when you're able, please take a look at the following thread:

New to Lyme? Start Here!

It's full of good information from some smart forum members.

As for Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), I would also recommend the above articles that PeteZa mentioned. Here's another article on EBV that may interest you, as it did me:

The Medical Medium—and What’s Potentially at the Root of Medical Mysteries

NOTE: I acknowledge the desire to roll one's eyes at the above article! rolleyes But, I've spent many years stuck in the quicksand of 'conventional' care without making much progress, before 'alternative' care threw me a rope. Now, I do think we need both. But, we need to know when to choose each of them.

Finally, as you're a Scientist, I humbly suggest that you remain open to all information, examine the data for yourself, apply what's helpful, and leave everything else. There are many other intelligent folks on this forum and they donate their time to help others -- no one is getting paid. And, many of us are still sick, too.

I wish you all the best for a quick and successful recovery!

Sincerely,
The Dude


That is an EXCELLENT attitude that will, no doubt, aid in your healing! Some brainy/sciency folks tend to reject anything that doesn't come from the CDC, FDA, AMA, and so forth. So, it's good to see that you're open to all ideas and anything that might work!

I salute you for trying Bee Venom Therapy! I'm not sure I could muster the nerve to do so. But, I guess, given enough pain and suffering, we're capable of more than we realize.

Truly, I'm sorry for your horrendous pain and suffering. Please keep posting and checking-in, as the folks here have a lot of empathy, knowledge, and desire to help. Welcome, friend! smile

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 12/31/2017 8:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you! Bee venom is easier than you think it would be. Was I nervous the first time? Yes, but I thought it would help, so I put away my fears and went for it.

Oh no! I wish for the absolute destruction of the CDC, FDA, and AMA! Seriously, who have these government entities ever helped? No one.

Thank you for the kind words and the welcome. 😀



The Dude Abides said...
medlabscientist_topatient said...
Even though I am a scientist, I am extremely open to all options of treatment and recovery. I even did Bee Venom therapy for a while, before a doctor told me to stop because my immune system was highly overactive. I used essential oils, I take herbs, I take tumeric and kratom for my unbelievable pain. I believe Stephen Buhner is a genius. Science isn't stoping me from trying anything. smile


The Dude Abides said...
Hello, medlabscientist_topatient:

Welcome to our community. I'm sorry that you're so sick and having to deal with so much. I'm glad that you found us, though.

If you've not yet had a chance to do so, when you're able, please take a look at the following thread:

New to Lyme? Start Here!

It's full of good information from some smart forum members.

As for Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV), I would also recommend the above articles that PeteZa mentioned. Here's another article on EBV that may interest you, as it did me:

The Medical Medium—and What’s Potentially at the Root of Medical Mysteries

NOTE: I acknowledge the desire to roll one's eyes at the above article! rolleyes But, I've spent many years stuck in the quicksand of 'conventional' care without making much progress, before 'alternative' care threw me a rope. Now, I do think we need both. But, we need to know when to choose each of them.

Finally, as you're a Scientist, I humbly suggest that you remain open to all information, examine the data for yourself, apply what's helpful, and leave everything else. There are many other intelligent folks on this forum and they donate their time to help others -- no one is getting paid. And, many of us are still sick, too.

I wish you all the best for a quick and successful recovery!

Sincerely,
The Dude


That is an EXCELLENT attitude that will, no doubt, aid in your healing! Some brainy/sciency folks tend to reject anything that doesn't come from the CDC, FDA, AMA, and so forth. So, it's good to see that you're open to all ideas and anything that might work!

I salute you for trying Bee Venom Therapy! I'm not sure I could muster the nerve to do so. But, I guess, given enough pain and suffering, we're capable of more than we realize.

Truly, I'm sorry for your horrendous pain and suffering. Please keep posting and checking-in, as the folks here have a lot of empathy, knowledge, and desire to help. Welcome, friend! smile

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 12/31/2017 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
The following website may be of interest, as it's run by another Scientist -- Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.

www.immed.org

Check-out the links in the lower-left of the page. Specifically, Gulf War Illness, Chronic Fatigue, Autoimmune, and Infectious Disease. I've read some good articles by Dr. Nicolson.

Also, here are some resources I recently re-posted from another forum member:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3955750

But, try not to burn-out your brain on too much research!

Cheers,
The Dude

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 1/1/2018 3:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you so very much for your help! I greatly appreciate the links. I'll definitely take a look. It's in my nature to research, but I do take breaks, because I find it difficult to remain on the computer for very long now that I'm sick with Lyme, Bartonella, and toxic mold. It is the way of us. Sensitivities to technology and EMFs. I promise I won't spend too much time researching.

Happy New Year to you! smile


The Dude Abides said...
The following website may be of interest, as it's run by another Scientist -- Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.

www.immed.org

Check-out the links in the lower-left of the page. Specifically, Gulf War Illness, Chronic Fatigue, Autoimmune, and Infectious Disease. I've read some good articles by Dr. Nicolson.

Also, here are some resources I recently re-posted from another forum member:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3955750

But, try not to burn-out your brain on too much research!

Cheers,
The Dude

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 1/1/2018 4:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Interesting information on the immed site. My Dad is a Vietnam War Veteran and was exposed to Agent Orange (thanks Monsanto...). We, meaning my Dad, sister, and I are desperate for information on the effects of Agent Orange on Vietnam Veteran children. I have not completely searched through the site, but see "Vet help" on there. We have been shut down by every person we talk to about Agent Orange. they don't care to even accept the genetic defects that likely got passed on to Vietnam Veterans children. There's a very small list of conditions the VA actually covers for exposure to Agent Orange, and it doesn't include children of Veterans. Sad. Very sad commentary on what our government will not take responsibility for.

But, I digress. I'm familiar with Amy Yasko. My current LLMD is a big fan of hers and treats based off some of her guidelines.

Thank you!

The Dude Abides said...
The following website may be of interest, as it's run by another Scientist -- Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.

www.immed.org

Check-out the links in the lower-left of the page. Specifically, Gulf War Illness, Chronic Fatigue, Autoimmune, and Infectious Disease. I've read some good articles by Dr. Nicolson.

Also, here are some resources I recently re-posted from another forum member:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3955750

But, try not to burn-out your brain on too much research!

Cheers,
The Dude

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/1/2018 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
medlabscientist_topatient said...
Interesting information on the immed site. My Dad is a Vietnam War Veteran and was exposed to Agent Orange (thanks Monsanto...). We, meaning my Dad, sister, and I are desperate for information on the effects of Agent Orange on Vietnam Veteran children. I have not completely searched through the site, but see "Vet help" on there. We have been shut down by every person we talk to about Agent Orange. they don't care to even accept the genetic defects that likely got passed on to Vietnam Veterans children. There's a very small list of conditions the VA actually covers for exposure to Agent Orange, and it doesn't include children of Veterans. Sad. Very sad commentary on what our government will not take responsibility for.

But, I digress. I'm familiar with Amy Yasko. My current LLMD is a big fan of hers and treats based off some of her guidelines.

Thank you!

The Dude Abides said...
The following website may be of interest, as it's run by another Scientist -- Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.

www.immed.org

Check-out the links in the lower-left of the page. Specifically, Gulf War Illness, Chronic Fatigue, Autoimmune, and Infectious Disease. I've read some good articles by Dr. Nicolson.

Also, here are some resources I recently re-posted from another forum member:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3955750

But, try not to burn-out your brain on too much research!

Cheers,
The Dude


It's sad, indeed, how our troops get used, abused, and then tossed-aside like trash. Despicable, in fact. I completed one enlistment and did a tour in the Persian Gulf, prior to the first Gulf War. If I were able to meet your Dad, I would shake his hand and tell him "Thank You" and "Welcome Home."

Happy New Year to you and yours, too, friend! smile

medlabscientist_topatient
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   Posted 1/2/2018 8:00 AM (GMT -6)   
I will tell him. Thank you. Thank you for your service to our country as well. 🙂

Best,
Medlabscientist


The Dude Abides said...
medlabscientist_topatient said...
Interesting information on the immed site. My Dad is a Vietnam War Veteran and was exposed to Agent Orange (thanks Monsanto...). We, meaning my Dad, sister, and I are desperate for information on the effects of Agent Orange on Vietnam Veteran children. I have not completely searched through the site, but see "Vet help" on there. We have been shut down by every person we talk to about Agent Orange. they don't care to even accept the genetic defects that likely got passed on to Vietnam Veterans children. There's a very small list of conditions the VA actually covers for exposure to Agent Orange, and it doesn't include children of Veterans. Sad. Very sad commentary on what our government will not take responsibility for.

But, I digress. I'm familiar with Amy Yasko. My current LLMD is a big fan of hers and treats based off some of her guidelines.

Thank you!

The Dude Abides said...
The following website may be of interest, as it's run by another Scientist -- Garth L. Nicolson, Ph.D.

www.immed.org

Check-out the links in the lower-left of the page. Specifically, Gulf War Illness, Chronic Fatigue, Autoimmune, and Infectious Disease. I've read some good articles by Dr. Nicolson.

Also, here are some resources I recently re-posted from another forum member:

/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3955750

But, try not to burn-out your brain on too much research!

Cheers,
The Dude


It's sad, indeed, how our troops get used, abused, and then tossed-aside like trash. Despicable, in fact. I completed one enlistment and did a tour in the Persian Gulf, prior to the first Gulf War. If I were able to meet your Dad, I would shake his hand and tell him "Thank You" and "Welcome Home."

Happy New Year to you and yours, too, friend! smile

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/2/2018 9:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you to your Dad medlab and thank you Dude Abides!

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   Posted 1/2/2018 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Dude! I did not realize you served in the military - I'd like to join in and say thank you for your service as well! And to Medlabscientist - I'd say thank you to your Dad as well!!!

You all do us a great honor by serving! Thank you.
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caramba
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   Posted 1/2/2018 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Great information, thanks! I was just reading a thyroid book where the author blames it all on EBV, even goes to say that lyme symptoms themselves are due to EBV, not Lyme..

Mustard Seed
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   Posted 1/2/2018 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
So what's the treatment for EBV?

Girlie
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   Posted 1/2/2018 4:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Some docs treat it with antiviral meds. Acyclovir I think is one

Some docs don't treat it
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
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Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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