Anyone use A-Bart and Houttunyia together?

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mudshark
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   Posted 1/3/2018 11:03 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm thinking about getting more aggressive in attacking bart by adding houttunyia to my current regime of a-bart and abx. I'm curious if others have safely combined a-bart and houttunyia together? And do I need t use something else with it to make it more effective? I can't find much info on their use together.

My LLMD is on vacation for a while so I won't be able to get his advice on this. I've read houttunyia hits bart really well and I feel my remaining symptoms (sore, painful and tight soles of feet, shin pain and shin bone tenderness, lower leg cramps, etc.) are from bart. Although I suppose Lyme could still be at play here, too.

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/3/2018 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I have not used those together.

I suggest that you research and know what is in A-bart and then see if there are any contraindications with the Houttuynia.

Houttuynia is pretty powerful.

I really think you should talk to your LLMD. Ask him/her what their plan is. Tell them you want a sort of outline of what they are going to do.

Going and doing something on your own could put your LLMD off. They may think you have no faith in their abilities and it is good to have a great relationship with your doc.

Rikky1
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   Posted 1/3/2018 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
i don't think there's any issue with doing that since both are herbs and people mix them all the time.

for example i take houttuynia, sida, cryptolepis, enula (mix of 2 herbs) and cumanda all at the same time.

i added houtt and sida to specifically go after bartonella but they also do a bunch of other good stuff.

peteza is correct you should talk to your LLMD. for me i was told to take cryptolepis and enula but i added the rest myself given i've been at this a long time and feel comfortable doing so.

mudshark
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   Posted 1/3/2018 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks. I do plan to discuss with my LLMD, but since he is not available for a while I wanted to start checking into this. I don't want to go off in the wrong direction. I prefer to do more on the herbal route if we can knock this out quicker.

My LLMD has provided me with a "possibly for later" plan that includes more aggressive Rx for bart, which includes rifampin. He prefers holding off on the rifampin for a while due to possible side effects and wants to give the bactrim + doxy I'm now taking a longer chance. It's been 3 weeks on that combo with the a-bart. All my symptoms likely related to things other than bart are gone, but those that seem associated to bart are worse.

Rikky1
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   Posted 1/3/2018 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
you haven't been on doxy/bactrim long enough to give it a chance so i personally agree with your LLMD. i'd leave you on that combo for a few months and see how you do. rifampin/rifabutin packs quite a wallop against gram negative bugs like bartonella plus it'll hit persisters harder than bactrim and its a biofilm buster so when you whip out that gun you should be prepared.

i think the rifamycin side effect concern is a bit overblown.
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