Byron White Adrenal / Para supplement - strange reaction first day

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1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/4/2018 12:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Brief Background:
I have chronic fatigue issues, which I believe is likely from adrenal fatigue caused by years of ongoing stress with our medical issues. I have started to look into/address the adrenal issues, but I have not been successful yet.
I tried licorice, which made me feel "awake". However, I have tendon/tennis elbow issues, and I don't feel comfortable staying on licorice. Plus, there are concerns about staying on licorice.
I tried ashwagandha, but it messed up my sleep.
I tried a supplement that my functional medicine MD doctor suggested, and it caused headaches.
I have now tried Byron White Adrenal / Para supplement - just one drop yesterday.

Strange Reaction:
I simply took one drop.
Hours later, I developed a mild headache (similiar to that other supplement I tried noted above).
Several hours later, I felt knocked out and couldn't function. I was knocked out/in bed for nearly 14 hours, and I slept for most of it (with several interruptions from family and from waking up). I felt the same like I do every morning - slow to get up.

I realize it has a lot of ingredients, but how can an adrenal supplement just worsen my fatigue issues?
Could it be a temporary thing that I just need to work through?
Or like nearly all the other supplements I seem to try for adrenals, is it just not the right one for me again?

With licorice, I just felt better pretty quickly.

I suspect I have cortisol problems, which is why licorice was so helpful for me.
Is there anything similar to licorice to try if this Byron White just continues to worsen my fatigue?

I really feel lost on addressing adrenal issues.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/4/2018 10:24 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies - is licorice bad for tendons?

I'm not very helpful with adrenal issues - but have you had your cortisol tested by the 4 point saliva testing?

..and if you are really low...it might be worth considering getting a very small dose of Cortef.

I realize steroids aren't a good thing when we have lyme...but low dose (as in .5 or 1 mg) doesn't have the immune suppressing effects.


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1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/6/2018 7:50 PM (GMT -6)   
No, I haven't actually tested. Honestly, it's kind of like lyme testing from what I hear. I talked to my functional medicine doctor, and he is like "well, of course you have adrenal fatigue, be surprised if you didn't..." so why spend the money to test for it? I've read numerous times of testing not helping people, and it's so much trial/error for addressing (sounds like lyme a bit, huh?).

Plus, with limited funds, I can't test and do everything with four of us. I'm the last to invest in. Kids always come first!

Thanks for the suggestion on steroids, but I completely avoid them.

Thanks for the bump. smile And taking the time to respond (I know how busy you are). smile
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/6/2018 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies,

Do you have unresolved bartonella?

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   Posted 1/7/2018 10:09 AM (GMT -6)   
The thing with licorice is that it should not be used alone for long periods of time - in a mix of herbs, it works well, other than potentially causing low potassium (which I address). This may be why you read that it may cause muscle and tendon issues???

(I've used licorice, combined with peppermint and white peony root as an intestinal cramp relieving formula daily for the last 7 years)

I would still encourage you to do the saliva testing, it's not vague at all. They are testing the amount of cortisol. If you are just a little low, it would still show up, as long as you do at least a 4 point saliva test. And I would encourage you to do so also because the adrenals are not something we want to mess around with. I've been trying to recover from serious adrenals issues for the last 3 years, which has really messed with trying to recover from my reinfection of Lyme and company.

That being said, Byron White formulas are generally good, although I have not researched their adrenal meds.

I do know that those with serious symptoms of these infections often find that BW formulas are pretty hard hitting - so it may be the same with the adrenal formula as well.

Maybe it's time to find a more gentle treatment path? Personally, I like NatrBio's adrenal meds, although I did have to start out on something different.

Another thing to look into would be adaptogenic herbs. I'm in love with these things! LOL! They work to normalize things, find the right balance, so there's little monitoring that needs to be done. Personally, because my adrenals were so depleted, I use ashwaganda (Gaia brand, phytocaps), but if you aren't having more serious issues with your adrenals, it could be too much as well, so I would suggest using one with the dried herb in it instead, if you choose to try ashwagandha.

If the adrenals are running a little on the high side (this is where testing really helps to understand what's going on), then Tulsi is actually the better option, as it more easily lowers cortisol, but is also an adaptogenic herb, so it will bring the adrenals back into balance.

And, as always - best of luck with this!!!
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   Posted 1/7/2018 12:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Daisies with your kids being sick I am not surprised that you may be having trouble with your adrenals. It has to be so stressful for you to maintain a house, take care of the kids, and lastly take care of you.

I don't do licorice either. It caused high blood pressure in me.

I watched my husband try ashwaganda and have sleepless nights, so I did not try that one.

I know this will sound funny, but this is what I found worked for me. Rosemary! It grows in my yard. I clipped off some sprigs and washed them. I put them on my cut up vegetables and put them in the oven. The roasted vegetables tasted wonderful and the house smelled so good.

I then did the same with potatoes. Just sprigs lying on top and roasted. I think it was more the smelling of the herb because once the veggies or potatoes were cooked, I threw away the sprigs. It was the aroma.

A friend of mine swears by Holy Basil. She loves doing it as tea and it is called Tulsi. I tried it, and it is okay for me. I think I just love the smell of rosemary. lol

Here is what Dr. Axe suggests -- [url]https://draxe.com/3-steps-to-heal-adrenal-fatigue/[url]. I love that he says limit the input of negative in your life. I turn off my tv when bad stuff comes on.

Hang in there Momma. Wish I had a magic pill for ya.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/10/2018 10:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, I didn't last on it. Ironically (?), I am having problems with a tonsil (inflamed, painful) - but no other symptoms (tonsillitis, I guess?). It happened after a few days of starting this one drop/day herbal. It may be related - or not. Hard to tell. But I am very suspicious on timing that it stirred something.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/10/2018 10:18 AM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
1000Daisies,

Do you have unresolved bartonella?


Probably. sad
I did herbals for babesia/bartonella but am currently taking a break because it appeared to cause a pro-inflammation state and my pathetic (tennis) elbows would not heal. After going off all herbals, my arms are much better now (but definitely still not healed).
So, I'm on the fence on when to restart them. I didn't see any benefit/improvement from taking them so far, so I just really don't know. Unfortunately, it appeared to cause more issues then resolve - my foot pain (classic bartonella symptom - which I didn't have until I started the herbals), pro-inflammatory state where my arms would not heal, etc. Both of those have improved, not resolved though, by going off the herbals.
I am very conflicted. sad
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.
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