best essential oils to kill lyme in spine??

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HzKabod
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   Posted 1/7/2018 11:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone used any essential oils to kill lyme & co in the spine? I have been having intermittent pain in various locations in my spine, from my neck to my coccyx.

I want the invaders gone & I want the pain gone! The last few days it's been hard to sit!

Thanks!

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   Posted 1/7/2018 12:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh gosh this sounds so painful. I'm so sorry. I have a lot of joint pain in my body. Lots of use, overuse, injuries and age related.

I use Young Living Panaway. It is not a cure for me, but it does take the edge off. I am not a distributor and I get mine from Amazon.

Panaway ingredients are Peppermint, Wintergreen, Clove, and Helichrysum.

I have also used Birch for joint pain. I love the smell of birch. It reminds me of chewing Beeman's gum. Tidbit I learned because Chuck Yeager lived somewhat near me. He chewed this gum before flights for good luck.

Hope you find some relief. Have you tried an ice pack?

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   Posted 1/7/2018 12:45 PM (GMT -7)   
HzKabod said...
Has anyone used any essential oils to kill lyme & co in the spine? I have been having intermittent pain in various locations in my spine, from my neck to my coccyx.

I want the invaders gone & I want the pain gone! The last few days it's been hard to sit!

Thanks!


I know how miserable this is!! I'm so very sorry!!

I've had quite a bit of pain in my spine - from tip to tip - over the years due to these infections. Between the muscles staying tight and pulling discs out of place, to having it inflamed from end to end, or only portions of it inflamed.

The best thing I've found to help has been anti-inflammatories, heat and ice (depending on which one helps at the time, it's always changing) - and stretching helps somewhat. Sitting still usually aggravates mine.

I've not tried it on my spine (obviously need to try it out!) but I know that thieves oil helped tremendously on my feet when it felt like I had a railroad spike going three inches into my heel. Just a few drops every day for about 5 days in a row, and it left. It does come back, but not to that extreme - but of course, I'm quick to treat now too!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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PeteZa
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   Posted 1/7/2018 4:09 PM (GMT -7)   
HzKabod you original question asked what will kill lyme in the spine and I don't know that anyone can give you a good answer to that.

I think you have been given some "possible" pain remedies.

HzKabod
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   Posted 1/7/2018 8:01 PM (GMT -7)   
OK, I'll try that. I think I've used Theives on my spine awhile ago. Wish I could remember better! I think what I did was treat with Thieves, wait awhile & then put bentonite clay on to pull the toxins out. Wondering if there is any other essential oil that would work as well.

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   Posted 1/7/2018 8:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Thieves is awesome for colds, and sore throats.

It was inspired by the legend of four 15th-century French thieves who formulated a special aromatic combination composed of clove, rosemary, and other botanicals used while robbing the dead and dying. If they put these essential oils on them, they could rob the sick and not get sick themselves.

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   Posted 1/7/2018 10:38 PM (GMT -7)   
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Further study revealed that oregano, cinnamon bark and clove bud were the most effective essential oils because of their high activity against Bb, at the lowest concentration of 0.125%.



/www.lymedisease.org/lyme-sci-essential-oils/

HzKabod
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   Posted 1/13/2018 12:23 PM (GMT -7)   
After a week of putting Thieves on my lower spine each day I am feeling better! I would put it on every AM & would notice after an hour or so the pain was decreased. By the end of the day I didn't even think about it. The next morning I would have pain, apply the oil & within an hour or so it was decreased or disappeared.

Just wanted to let ya know this was a treatment that worked for me--for any others out that with that symptom.

Blessings!

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 1/13/2018 12:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I used clove oil. I think it helped some.

bluelyme
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   Posted 1/13/2018 7:02 PM (GMT -7)   
I use oil of oregano with carrier, frankensce followed by dmso for inflammation, and thieves blend which has a lot clove as a for mentioned but the thing that has me from hobbling to working and riding again was bee venom ..stop the pain and the cause.
Apitronic services make a wonderful smelling bv cream called venex ...it works well bc

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   Posted 1/13/2018 7:20 PM (GMT -7)   
blue - How well does the venex work for pain - particularly nerve pain?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
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   Posted 1/14/2018 10:40 AM (GMT -7)   
My rep made something for me called a "pain bomb" that she put in a roller ball. There's a whole page in her book about lyme, but I haven't looked too closely as far as treating because it didn't seem plausible to me. This pain bomb though does help my foot pain and lower spine pain, so maybe I will look into it more.

I'll try to figure out what's in the pain bomb.

I would recommend sticking with Young Living or Doterra brands now that I now more about oils. I think those are the purest.
pos for MTHTR single mutation; Positive Igenix IgG Jan 2017
March/Apr '17: doxy, Tinizadole. 5/1 samento and swap mino for doxy. 5/28- switch mino back to doxy, added activated charcoal. 6/9 - stopped antibiox; staying with samento, red root and houttiya and supps. tried LDN; 8/24 rifampin, samento, red root and supps 1/1 30 days rifampin and burner's protocol to beat bart; borreala gone?

JenT26
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   Posted 1/14/2018 1:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Not essential oils but I get horrible spine pain and Burbur-Pinella helps me take the edge off.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/14/2018 1:58 PM (GMT -7)   
H Jen, welcome!


That's great that the Burbur/Pinella helps with your spine pain.

Are you currently in treatment for lyme and co's?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

JenT26
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   Posted 1/14/2018 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Girlie, thanks for welcoming me smile
I am currently very frustrated because I still don’t really know what’s actually going on. I got very sick the week before thanksgiving with relapsing fevers over 5 weeks. Took the DNA connexions test and came back positive for B. recurrentis NPS. I have many neurological symptoms since I first got sick and I can’t seem to stick to treatments because it it makes me relaps. Meaning I get fevers again and so much pain it makes it impossible to work so I stopped taking stuff. Long story short, I have way too much going on to explain it in a nutshell lol but I sure was hoping to find some answers in this forum.

Best wishes

Jen

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   Posted 1/14/2018 3:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jen,
Welcome to the community!

It sounds like you aren't able to detox well enough. As the bacteria die, they release toxins, and those toxins can increase or create new symptoms of the infections we have. This is more common than most think.

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​With the experience that I had personally, and what I've watched others go through, here is what I believe needs to happen for many of us to heal:

a)Detoxing - gene mutations, multiple tick-borne infections and more can have a big impact on our ability to detox.

You can find some really good detoxing suggestions in the "New to Lyme?" thread that sits at the top of the forum. And this is another really good resource for detoxing ideas for Lyme patients:
http://www.tiredoflyme.com/detox-methods.html

But, there is such a thing as over detoxing. This happens when we move more toxins than our body is capable of processing out effectively. Many toxins are stored in our tissues, and by detoxing, we move them to the bloodstream where we can process them out of our bodies through the lymph system, then on to the liver and kidneys as so on. We have to be sure to add in more detoxing routines slowly and carefully, or we will end up herxing just like we had never been detoxing. This article helps to explain that some: http://www.tiredoflyme.com/4-reasons-why-you-still-feel-bad-despite-detoxing.html


​​​​b)Supporting the body functions/systems. We have to have the body working at it's peak performance to heal from something as devastating as these infections. Supporting any gland, organ, body system that is struggling will allow the body to switch it's 'concentration' from just trying to function over to healing.

​​c) Raise the immune function. Many legitimate Lyme researchers now believe that it's the lowered immune function that determines who gets chronic Lyme and who heals right away. We already know that Lyme lowers the immune function and when a person has Bartonella and/or Babesia, the immune function is further compromised, so to heal we must raise our immune function.

d) Lastly, oddly enough, are anti-infective treatments. Many of us have experienced treatment failures, so we can see that the treatments aren't the only thing we need to have - there has to be more to the equation, but anti-infective treatments are very important!! Lyme bacteria are one of the most complicated bacteria! ​Although it takes only hours or days for most bacteria to replicate, Lyme bacteria only replicates in the body every few weeks.​

I hope this helps some!!! But, keep asking questions!!!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

JenT26
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   Posted 1/14/2018 5:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you so much for your help! It’s definitely been an uphill battle and I still don’t feel satisfied with the dna connexions results. I feel like there’s gotta be more to it. If I may discribe my symptoms... it all started with what felt like the flu. Fevers around 100-101, chills, aches, dizziness. Lasted for about 3 days. When it came back a few days later I thought it was weird but this repeated 5 times and each time I felt worse. I couldn’t even walk. Dispite the fever my hands and feet were so cold they turned blue, I had extreme vision problems like light- floaters, blurry vision, it felt like everything was shaking (vision). Not to mention the pain in my back. I literally cried from the pain. When I got put on doxy I got 100 times worse and after only 2 doses I had to stop because I literally felt like dying to a point where I was ready to go to the ER. I’ve also had eye twitches ever since pretty much constantly. I have sore lymph nodes in my right arm pit and throat or jaw on and off and lately my right hand feels like I punched something. My knuckles and index finger joints hurt. I have brain fog and I’m extremely forgetful and sometimes I can’t talk right. I could go on and on, all my symptoms are pretty typical. That’s why I was surprised that I only got a positive for B. Recurrentis. I couldn’t find anything about neurological or other Lyme like symptoms with this strain.
I had been without fevers for 3 weeks until I got put on microbinate and whenever I take that I feel like hell. My temp goes up again I get chills, very dizzy with crazy vision and my legs feel heavy to the point where I’m walking like I have Parkinson’s. So I had to stop. I don’t know how to approach this whole process. I’m functioning better if I’m leaving it alone. Yeah I have bad days where I feel like I got hit by a semi but when the fever comes I just can’t. I’m hoping to take the new IGeneX panel soon. It also tests for European Lyme strains, since I grew up there and I’ve had some wacky symptoms pretty much my whole life, I’m wondering if whatever was there just got kick started.
Sorry for the humongous post but I don’t really have anybody to talk to about this.

Post Edited (JenT26) : 1/14/2018 6:14:36 PM (GMT-7)


bluelyme
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   Posted 1/14/2018 11:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Girlie said...
blue - How well does the venex work for pain - particularly nerve pain?


So where ever you put the venex a light redness reaction occurs while the circulation is improved , where capillaries take 3 sec to fill ,they fill in less than 1/2 a second under the influence of venom. ...itstopped d my drilling bonepain and burning nuerpathy for a little window ..thats when i wanted more ...

Girlie
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   Posted Yesterday 12:59 AM (GMT -7)   
bluelyme said...
Girlie said...
blue - How well does the venex work for pain - particularly nerve pain?


So where ever you put the venex a light redness reaction occurs while the circulation is improved , where capillaries take 3 sec to fill ,they fill in less than 1/2 a second under the influence of venom. ...itstopped d my drilling bonepain and burning nuerpathy for a little window ..thats when i wanted more ...


So it's the Venex ointment that I would buy?

Hey, the bee venom and pollen is from my stomping ground.

"The selected bee hive products in these items are of the highest quality that can be found in North America. Bee venom (Grade I.) is collected from around Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Pollen is from the environmentally pristine Peace River area of northern Alberta and British Columbia, Canada. Propolis is gathered by American beekeepers, processed and standardized in USA manufacturing facilities."
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Traveler
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   Posted Yesterday 9:30 AM (GMT -7)   
JenT26 said...
Thank you so much for your help! It’s definitely been an uphill battle and I still don’t feel satisfied with the dna connexions results. I feel like there’s gotta be more to it. If I may discribe my symptoms... it all started with what felt like the flu. Fevers around 100-101, chills, aches, dizziness. Lasted for about 3 days. When it came back a few days later I thought it was weird but this repeated 5 times and each time I felt worse. I couldn’t even walk. Dispite the fever my hands and feet were so cold they turned blue, I had extreme vision problems like light- floaters, blurry vision, it felt like everything was shaking (vision). Not to mention the pain in my back. I literally cried from the pain. When I got put on doxy I got 100 times worse and after only 2 doses I had to stop because I literally felt like dying to a point where I was ready to go to the ER. I’ve also had eye twitches ever since pretty much constantly. I have sore lymph nodes in my right arm pit and throat or jaw on and off and lately my right hand feels like I punched something. My knuckles and index finger joints hurt. I have brain fog and I’m extremely forgetful and sometimes I can’t talk right. I could go on and on, all my symptoms are pretty typical. That’s why I was surprised that I only got a positive for B. Recurrentis. I couldn’t find anything about neurological or other Lyme like symptoms with this strain.
I had been without fevers for 3 weeks until I got put on microbinate and whenever I take that I feel like hell. My temp goes up again I get chills, very dizzy with crazy vision and my legs feel heavy to the point where I’m walking like I have Parkinson’s. So I had to stop. I don’t know how to approach this whole process. I’m functioning better if I’m leaving it alone. Yeah I have bad days where I feel like I got hit by a semi but when the fever comes I just can’t. I’m hoping to take the new IGeneX panel soon. It also tests for European Lyme strains, since I grew up there and I’ve had some wacky symptoms pretty much my whole life, I’m wondering if whatever was there just got kick started.
Sorry for the humongous post but I don’t really have anybody to talk to about this.


Well, you now have us to talk to about all of this!!!

I would encourage you to read these two articles (one is a questionnaire) to help you better understand what you may be dealing with. www.tiredoflyme.com/horowitz-lyme-msids-questionnaire.html

And this one is really good as well: www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=29861

All of your symptoms could easily be from tick-borne diseases, although they can be passed from a lot more than just ticks.

You do need to understand that, even our very best tests currently don't pick up every strain for every person. A lot of it depends on how well your immune system is functioning, among other things. So, many of us end up having to just go by our symptoms. Personally, I didn't get a CDC positive result until I had been in treatment for a full 12 months.

Since you said you have had whacky symptoms most of your life (that describes me as well), it's possible that you have had these infections the whole time. I know I did, once I learned enough to recognize the symptoms, I started thinking back, talked to my Mom and she helped me place certain events in my life.....and I came to the realization that I had RMSF at the age of 7 and never healed from that - I either picked up other infections later, or at the same time as RMSF.

When I finally got in to see a LLMD (at the age of 37), the LLMD told me at the end of the 1st appt that I likely had every single tick-borne infection due to the number of symptoms and the severity of so many of them. That did not make me a happy camper!! LOL! But, at least I knew and could deal with it.

This is a long process to overcome these infections for those of us that have had them a very long time, so we lean on each other a lot here, and on other sites. smile

Keep asking questions and keep researching!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/
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