Loose Stools with Lyme?

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NicHostetler
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   Posted 1/8/2018 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I have been dealing with loose stools for probably 10 years or more now and I just wondered if anyone else has/had this with Lyme?

I usually have to go once or twice in the morning and then once later in the evening. Usually the stool is formed, but still loose/soft.

I've been tested for parasties and all kinds of stuff, but doctors never knew what was going on. Now I am wondering if it could've been Lyme or a coinfection the whole time? I wonder because through treatment it seems to maybe be getting slightly better. Still not great though, but at the same time, I still have a ways to go in treatment..

Thank you!
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

tickbite666
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   Posted 1/8/2018 11:36 AM (GMT -6)   
This was common for me prior to treatment and did get better over time with treatment. Happy to say all has been back to normal for the past year. Best to take a good quality probiotic and when things are bad also take Florastor (Sachromyses Boulardii sp?)

Sometimes an ABX will make things worse. I tolerated most all ABX except Augmentin.

RedLabel
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   Posted 1/8/2018 11:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I have had it for 1.5 years now. It's been a little better the last few weeks though. Not sure if its my new protocol, or the fact that I've been ramping up probiotics.

I also get this "corny" structure that dissolves in the water. Sometimes with undigested food in them.
Lyme, CPN, Yersinia, Coxsackie, CMV and Bartonella after LLMD visit.
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Started treatment in May 2017

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/8/2018 12:33 PM (GMT -6)   
tickbite666 said...
This was common for me prior to treatment and did get better over time with treatment. Happy to say all has been back to normal for the past year. Best to take a good quality probiotic and when things are bad also take Florastor (Sachromyses Boulardii sp?)

Sometimes an ABX will make things worse. I tolerated most all ABX except Augmentin.


Please use s. boulardii with caution. They say it's perfectly harmless, but that's not true at all. I've posted about this numerous times. It can and does cause a yeast imbalance, so it's something to use with caution. I wish there was better information online about s. boulardii. sad

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/8/2018 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried pure nystatin for yeast? That can definitely help if stools are affected by yeast (which they frequently are) - especially if been on abx.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

NicHostetler
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   Posted 1/8/2018 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
Have you tried pure nystatin for yeast? That can definitely help if stools are affected by yeast (which they frequently are) - especially if been on abx.


I just take the nystatin pills. Is this what you mean?

I just started taking s. boulardii on recommendation from both my doctors. That is scary that it can cause yeast issues. What did you read that says it can and what does it do? Feed the yeast?

I just got a stool panel back that says a lottt of things are out of wack, but yeast wasn't of them. It says normal for that. Looks like inflammation markers and secretory IgA. Waiting to hear back from my doctor..
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

modooley
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   Posted 1/8/2018 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi NicHostetler, can I ask if you take magnesium? That seemed to always give me loose stool. I switched to magnesium chelate and you can take as much as you need and it will not give you loose stool.

NicHostetler
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   Posted 1/8/2018 4:52 PM (GMT -6)   
modooley said...
Hi NicHostetler, can I ask if you take magnesium? That seemed to always give me loose stool. I switched to magnesium chelate and you can take as much as you need and it will not give you loose stool.


I do not take Magnesium, but good question!

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/8/2018 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   
NicHostetler said...

I just got a stool panel back that says a lottt of things are out of wack, but yeast wasn't of them. It says normal for that. Looks like inflammation markers and secretory IgA. Waiting to hear back from my doctor..


Nic,

What lab did your stool analysis?

I saw my PCP last Friday and asked about a comprehensive stool analysis since I've never had one. It will be done through Labcorp. I have the opposite problem - constipation for over 2 years now. Been on various probiotics all this time and tried fermented foods. None of it has affected the constipation. Herbal treatment for bart, Lyme, and now herbs added for babesia and chlamydia pneumonia - none of that's had any effect on the constipation either.

NicHostetler
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   Posted 1/8/2018 11:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I did my stool panel through Genova. My doctor called me back (not llmd just my pcp who ordered it) and said nothing really came back but I told her I’ve been having head pressure and dizzyness and she said my results wouldn’t be causing that, but wants me to come in tomorrow because she is concerned about the dizzyness.. I said I would but it’s kind of annoying becuase I’m sure she will have no idea what the dizzyness is from. I might try to tell her about babesia and that I’m treating it, but she will probably just ignore me or think I’m crazy. Or she will order tons of other expensive tests. But, I guess sometimes it’s best to rule things out. I’m just sick of being sick. I’m supposed to go to Oklahoma City (I live in Indiana) for work next week then two weeks in Italy in February but I can’t even imagine sad both times I’ll be traveling alone..

Hopefully you’re doctor is more knowledgeable about the stool panel. Like I said, lotssss of things showed up on mine but they said nothing is wrong?

And quick question for you, what are you taking for your CPN? I tested positive but my llmd isn’t even treating that or mycoplasma, but I think she assumes they will be hit with antibiotics..?

Post Edited (NicHostetler) : 1/8/2018 9:40:31 PM (GMT-7)


WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/9/2018 8:33 AM (GMT -6)   
NicHostetler said...


And quick question for you, what are you taking for your CPN? I tested positive but my llmd isn’t even treating that or mycoplasma, but I think she assumes they will be hit with antibiotics..?


I just added Bidens pilosa, kudzu, and phellodendron (berberine) to the other Buhner herbal protocols I was already taking.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/10/2018 11:03 AM (GMT -6)   
NicHostetler said...
1000Daisies said...
Have you tried pure nystatin for yeast? That can definitely help if stools are affected by yeast (which they frequently are) - especially if been on abx.


I just take the nystatin pills. Is this what you mean?

I just started taking s. boulardii on recommendation from both my doctors. That is scary that it can cause yeast issues. What did you read that says it can and what does it do? Feed the yeast?

I just got a stool panel back that says a lottt of things are out of wack, but yeast wasn't of them. It says normal for that. Looks like inflammation markers and secretory IgA. Waiting to hear back from my doctor..


Hi Nic. I posted the link of the article on the s. boulardii yeast issue on the other thread. But here it is again for you in case you didn't see it.

COPY FROM OTHER THREAD:
That is a good article, but unfortunately, it (like so many others) says how safe s. boulardii is. But that's not true. I don't doubt that it has good aspects to it in certain situations, but I wish these articles would give the pros/cons (both sides of it). Perhaps, people just don't understand the s. boulardii/s. cerevisiae yeast infection yet. That doesn't surprise me because I have this for years and couldn't get ANYWHERE with the MD docs on this (they were truly clueless).

Saccharomyces cerevisiae fungemia: an adverse effect of Saccharomyces boulardii probiotic administration.
Saccharomyces cerevisiae fungemia: an emerging infectious disease.
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15889360
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
tickbite666 said...
This was common for me prior to treatment and did get better over time with treatment. Happy to say all has been back to normal for the past year. Best to take a good quality probiotic and when things are bad also take Florastor (Sachromyses Boulardii sp?)

Sometimes an ABX will make things worse. I tolerated most all ABX except Augmentin.


Please use s. boulardii with caution. They say it's perfectly harmless, but that's not true at all. I've posted about this numerous times. It can and does cause a yeast imbalance, so it's something to use with caution. I wish there was better information online about s. boulardii. sad



I know Dr. J. has his patients take the S. boulardii. If I remember, I will ask him about it.
(He also has patients take another one with it)
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NicHostetler
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   Posted 1/10/2018 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
1000Daisies said...
NicHostetler said...
1000Daisies said...
Have you tried pure nystatin for yeast? That can definitely help if stools are affected by yeast (which they frequently are) - especially if been on abx.


I just take the nystatin pills. Is this what you mean?

I just started taking s. boulardii on recommendation from both my doctors. That is scary that it can cause yeast issues. What did you read that says it can and what does it do? Feed the yeast?

I just got a stool panel back that says a lottt of things are out of wack, but yeast wasn't of them. It says normal for that. Looks like inflammation markers and secretory IgA. Waiting to hear back from my doctor..


Hi Nic. I posted the link of the article on the s. boulardii yeast issue on the other thread. But here it is again for you in case you didn't see it.

COPY FROM OTHER THREAD:
That is a good article, but unfortunately, it (like so many others) says how safe s. boulardii is. But that's not true. I don't doubt that it has good aspects to it in certain situations, but I wish these articles would give the pros/cons (both sides of it). Perhaps, people just don't understand the s. boulardii/s. cerevisiae yeast infection yet. That doesn't surprise me because I have this for years and couldn't get ANYWHERE with the MD docs on this (they were truly clueless).

Saccharomyces cerevisiae fungemia: an adverse effect of Saccharomyces boulardii probiotic administration.
Saccharomyces cerevisiae fungemia: an emerging infectious disease.
/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15889360


Oh wow, that is very scary. Thanks for sharing.
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day
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