How strong is Bidens?

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cakegirl
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   Posted 1/8/2018 5:41 PM (GMT -6)   
How strong is Bidens? Would someone without Lyme react to it?

Thanks in advance.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/8/2018 5:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Bidens is in Buhner's babesia and chlamydia pneumonia protocols. If someone has either of those, I would expect them to have a response to it. I started it recently at only 5 drops. Can't tell yet what specific symptoms it will provoke.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/9/2018 11:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, walkingbyfaith. Has anyone else experience with Bidens?

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   Posted 1/9/2018 4:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Bidens is strong. If you are planning on adding it in , I would start very slow and a low dose. Just see how you react.

This is taken from Buhner's "Natural Treatments For Co Infections, Anaplasma, Babesia, Ehrlichia on p.231-236

Bidens pilosais is an :
anti maalarial, anti acterial, anti microbial, antisenteric, diuretic, hepatoprotective, hypotensive, anti-inflammatory,

hypoglycemic, antidiabetic, styptic, vulnerary, immunomodulant, antiseptic, neuroprotectant, blood tonic,

astringent, carminative, galctogogue, mucous membrane tonic, anda prostaglandin synthesis inhibitor.


In fact, Bidens is one of the most potent PGE2 plant inhibitors known. Inhibiting PGE2 counteracts many TICK salival proteins as well as stimulating dendritic cell maturation, helping fight the infection.

Bidens has been found to be a strong antioxidant and anti-inflammatory.

Bidens pilosa is a strong and reliable immune modulator.

No Side effects noted in the literature.

Herb/drug interactions: none noted, however one study shows Bidens potentiating tetracycline. CAUTION should e exercised in using the plant if you are on DIABETES MEDICATIONS as it will alter your blood glucose and insulin levels.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/9/2018 4:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, goshawk.

We started at one drop and got up to ten but then had to stop b/c of reactions. I started her back at just one drop and she got way worse.

Would someone without Lyme react to it? No one is even sure whether she has Lyme or not. It's hard to fight a battle when you don't know what your battling.

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   Posted 1/9/2018 5:46 PM (GMT -6)   
So its probably a Herx could be from from Babesia, smart to back off a bit and let things calm down.


What were the reactions?

Is she detoxing?

Are you questioning whether she has Lyme ?

Has she been clinically diagnosed or has any testing been done by an llmd?


What are her regular symptoms usually before the bidens?

Hope she is doing better tonight take care, Jo

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/11/2018 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
goshawk said...
So its probably a Herx could be from from Babesia, smart to back off a bit and let things calm down.


What were the reactions?

Is she detoxing?

Are you questioning whether she has Lyme ?

Has she been clinically diagnosed or has any testing been done by an llmd?


What are her regular symptoms usually before the bidens?

Hope she is doing better tonight take care, Jo


Hey Jo,

The initial reaction was not being in reality and acting not like herself. The next day it was fear and thinking that something bad was about to happen.

She takes charcoal. All other detoxing either causes a reaction or has never done anything.

Yes, I do question whether it's lyme. No, she really has never been clinically diagnosed. We saw an LLMD but he didn't seem experienced and had her repeat the Western Blot which shows band 39 again and band 41. He tested her CD57 and the scores were near zero. He put her on herbals to target lyme but they were way to strong. An herbalist said they weren't sure either if it was lyme but is still treating her with herbals.

Her regular symptoms are short term memory loss, cognition issues, word finding, confusion, concentration, lack of stamina, under-active thyroid. She has had other symptoms. But it's the memory loss that has gotten progressively worse over 17 years to the point that she can't do much on her own.
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