Advil, Aleve, Ibuprophen PM works for sleep

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astroman
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   Posted 1/10/2018 9:08 AM (GMT -6)   
There always has been and always will be insomnia help questions here.

Advil PM and generic Ibuprophen PM use Ibuprophen for the pain reducer, Aleve has Naproxen. These are seldom mentioned here.

The "sleep agent" in them: Aleve uses 25mg of Diphenhydramine HCL, (Benedryl is 25 mg Diphenhydramine HCL), the other two I mentioned use 38mg of Diphenhydramine Citrate - not the citrate version.

The 38mg of Citrate type of D seems to work better with less grogginess in my experience vs the 25mg of HCL.

They knock me out now, and worked at least half the time when I was on ABX. Slight grogginess the morning after unless I have time to sleep 10 hrs. Wish they came in a smaller dose.

The nsaid in them might be an issue if you have an ulcer. The "sleepy ingredient" in these seems way more effective than its cousins in most sleep aids. It might be the coating affecting the release time, I dont know.

If you cant sleep- thats a huge healing issue. Might want to try these if you tired of juggling around natural supplements to achieve some zzzzzz's.

In my mind Rx for sleep should be last resort, worse chemicals than the ones in the title.

Post Edited (astroman) : 1/10/2018 12:47:07 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 12:58 PM (GMT -6)   
So true about sleep and healing.


Dr. J. says it needs to be addressed right away. Not sure what he recommends for sleep.

I am very fortunate...for most of my lyme journey, I have slept quite well.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

k07
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   Posted 1/10/2018 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I would love to know what dr. J suggests. I’m currently struggling. Dr. H likes trazadone but I’m not wanting to go down that path. I’ve tried advil pm and benadryl before and they didn’t work. Gaia sleep thru was working well until recently.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
k07 said...
I would love to know what dr. J suggests. I’m currently struggling. Dr. H likes trazadone but I’m not wanting to go down that path. I’ve tried advil pm and benadryl before and they didn’t work. Gaia sleep thru was working well until recently.



I know what you mean about not going down that path.

I have a few prescriptions sitting at the Pharmacy that I never filled.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

insomniaaa
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   Posted 1/10/2018 3:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Don't forget to up your liver detox when taking these pills. I'm talking milk thistle seed oil, burdock root and what not.
These pills have a tendency to increase your GPT, ALAT , and so forth.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 1/10/2018 2:45:05 PM (GMT-7)


PeteZa
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   Posted 1/10/2018 4:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Taking too much ibuprofen may affect male fertility - huge news this week.

Probably more for pro athletes that do take a LOT and not for us here, but news worthy.

astroman
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   Posted 1/10/2018 6:15 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
Taking too much ibuprofen may affect male fertility - huge news this week.

Probably more for pro athletes that do take a LOT and not for us here, but news worthy.


Funny, I took a lot back then. Since I didnt want kids of my own, this may have worked in my favor LOL.

Post Edited (astroman) : 1/10/2018 5:19:23 PM (GMT-7)


astroman
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   Posted 1/10/2018 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
insomniaaa said...
Don't forget to up your liver detox when taking these pills. I'm talking milk thistle seed oil, burdock root and what not.
These pills have a tendency to increase your GPT, ALAT , and so forth.


GPT, ALAT - not sure what those are..?

ALT and AST are common liver enzymes to test.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 7:12 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
insomniaaa said...
Don't forget to up your liver detox when taking these pills. I'm talking milk thistle seed oil, burdock root and what not.
These pills have a tendency to increase your GPT, ALAT , and so forth.


GPT, ALAT - not sure what those are..?

ALT and AST are common liver enzymes to test.


ALT, AST, Bilirubin, ALP

Ive not heard of GPT and ALAT
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 1/10/2018 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
astroman said...
insomniaaa said...
Don't forget to up your liver detox when taking these pills. I'm talking milk thistle seed oil, burdock root and what not.
These pills have a tendency to increase your GPT, ALAT , and so forth.


GPT, ALAT - not sure what those are..?

ALT and AST are common liver enzymes to test.


ALT, AST, Bilirubin, ALP

Ive not heard of GPT and ALAT


Tylenol (acetaminophen) is the tough one on your liver. Aleve and Ibophrophen in low doses arent to evil and I just take one at a time.

If I took two of the "PM's" (suggested dose is 1-2), I would feel drunk the next day. I never took the PM versions till I was treating lyme. Worked better than the Trazadone which I did not like taking- and stopped.

I'm convinced D-limonene is the best liver detox out there which I take every other night.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 10:27 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Girlie said...
astroman said...
insomniaaa said...
Don't forget to up your liver detox when taking these pills. I'm talking milk thistle seed oil, burdock root and what not.
These pills have a tendency to increase your GPT, ALAT , and so forth.


GPT, ALAT - not sure what those are..?

ALT and AST are common liver enzymes to test.


ALT, AST, Bilirubin, ALP

Ive not heard of GPT and ALAT


Tylenol (acetaminophen) is the tough one on your liver. Aleve and Ibophrophen in low doses arent to evil and I just take one at a time.

If I took two of the "PM's" (suggested dose is 1-2), I would feel drunk the next day. I never took the PM versions till I was treating lyme. Worked better than the Trazadone which I did not like taking- and stopped.

I'm convinced D-limonene is the best liver detox out there which I take every other night.


I keep forgetting that D-limonene is also for the liver...and not 'just' for the reflux issues I had.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

insomniaaa
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   Posted 1/11/2018 1:34 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
insomniaaa said...
Don't forget to up your liver detox when taking these pills. I'm talking milk thistle seed oil, burdock root and what not.
These pills have a tendency to increase your GPT, ALAT , and so forth.


GPT, ALAT - not sure what those are..?

ALT and AST are common liver enzymes to test.


Apparently ALAT is the same thing as ALT which is the same thing as GPT lol
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