Cowden compatibility chart

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Seb4
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   Posted 1/10/2018 5:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Despite many mentions of, and many links posted, the elusive Cowden compatibility chart seems impossible to come by. Every link I follow sends me to some bogus site; there is nothing on the nutramedix site and searches take me nowhere. Knowing which herbs can be taken together is important and it would be great if someone could post a working link. Sepcifically, I am looking for what is compatible with cumanda. Thanks for your help.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Seb4 - are you wanting to know which Cowden protocol herbs go together...OR ones that aren't in the protocol - whether they are compatible with the Cowden ones?


If it's the first statement -you can just follow their schedule.

But, are you thinking of adding other herbs...such as Buhner...or?
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/10/2018 6:30 PM (GMT -6)   
If you view this in Google Chrome, it should give you the option to translate it.

bit.ly/2Fqtn8q

However, you will then have to monkey with the formatting to align everything.

That's the best I could do in a few minutes.

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   Posted 1/10/2018 6:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Cumanda's botanical name is Campsiandra Angustifolia.

When you look up an herb, it is easier if you use the botanical name and then google for contraindications.

I think that is what you are meaning, and that is how I did it with my herbs.

See if this works as a link. www.nutramedix.ec/pdfs/cumanda_flyer_Bs.pdf

oh good the link worked and it says there are no known contraindications.

Seb4
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   Posted 1/10/2018 9:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Girlie,
thanks for your response. Yes, I am mixing the cowden/Buhner protocols. At the moment I am on houttuynia, japanese knotweed, cat's claw and a bunch of others on neither protocol like oregano etc. I am just wondering whether the knotweed and houttuynia will be compatible with cumanda. Thanks to you too Dude...I will try to translate and reorganise (I am a bit suspicious as to why nutramedix no longer offers this chart on their website). Peteza...thanks, and I tend to agree with your approach for most herbs but when it comes to things like cumanda, I can't shake the feeling that what "no known contraindications" really means is "this herb might have a whole bunch of fatal contraindications but it hasn't been studied enough for us to know."

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   Posted 1/10/2018 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Seb4:

I just returned home and managed to find the following:

/www.dropbox.com/s/yan58kczxqy1v3t/NutraMedix-Product-Comparison-Chart.pdf

But, I don't think it's exactly what you're seeking. sad

Best of luck,
The Dude

EDIT: The link to the Wayback Machine website no longer worked. Luckily, I had saved a copy and uploaded it to Dropbox.

Post Edited (The Dude Abides) : 1/11/2018 8:16:48 PM (GMT-7)


The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/10/2018 10:51 PM (GMT -6)   
By the way, in case anyone is interested in the translation...


Original German:

FLÜSSIG EXTRAKTE
VERTRÄGLICHKEITS TABELLE

BITTE GRUENDLICH DURCHLESEN

Wenn Sie mehr als Zwei Produkte gleichzeitig im gleichen Glas Wasser nehmen, müssen Sie die einzeln Produkte auf deren Verträglichkeit überprüfen.

Wenn Sie mehr als ein Produkt gleichzeitig im gleichen Glas Wasser nehmen möchten, überprüfen Sie bitte Anhand der Tabelle die Verträglichkeit.

Wenn die Produkte nicht verträglich sind, dann müssen sie jeweils in einem separaten Glas Wasser mindestens 15-20 Minuten auseinander eingenommen werden.

JA > VERTRÄGLICH
NEIN > NICHT VERTRÄGLICH

==========================================================

English Translation, via Google Translate

LIQUID EXTRACTS
COMPATIBILITY TABLE

PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY

If you take more than two products at the same time in the same glass of water, you must check the individual products for their compatibility.

If you want to use more than one product at the same time in the same glass of water, please check compatibility with the table.

If the products are not compatible, they must each be taken in a separate glass of water at least 15-20 minutes apart.

Yes > COMPATIBLE

No > NOT COMPATIBLE

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 11:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Seb4 said...
Hi Girlie,
thanks for your response. Yes, I am mixing the cowden/Buhner protocols. At the moment I am on houttuynia, japanese knotweed, cat's claw and a bunch of others on neither protocol like oregano etc. I am just wondering whether the knotweed and houttuynia will be compatible with cumanda. Thanks to you too Dude...I will try to translate and reorganise (I am a bit suspicious as to why nutramedix no longer offers this chart on their website). Peteza...thanks, and I tend to agree with your approach for most herbs but when it comes to things like cumanda, I can't shake the feeling that what "no known contraindications" really means is "this herb might have a whole bunch of fatal contraindications but it hasn't been studied enough for us to know."



So, found some information on it:

www.rain-tree.com/campsiandra.htm#.Wlbh3iOZOCc

Unfortunately it only says:

Contraindications: None known.

Drug Interactions: None known.


I don't know what to suggest...other than talking to an herbalist...but not sure if you want to spend the $$ on that.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 1/11/2018 9:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I was going to search but it looks like Dude found it.

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 1/11/2018 9:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Found a different one:


/i.imgur.com/qhulPR4.png

Girlie
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   Posted 1/11/2018 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
LymeSick 🌟 said...
Found a different one:


/i.imgur.com/qhulPR4.png


The chart only has the Cowden herbs, no?

I believe the OP is looking for contraindications with other herbals - i.e. Buhner....
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 1/11/2018 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
That's what I was wondering, but then I questioned whether or not it'd be worth the headache. Of course, it'd be nice for patients to have access to such a chart, but I feel like it'd require a lot of time, effort, and create divide between people.

In my mind, you'd have to test with Buhner, Beyond Balance, Byron White, Jernigan, essential oils, anything and everything that's popular nowadays. I mean, to be fair, that is. Well, you have his herbs tested, but what about mine?

Then, you'd have people, well, how can you prove that? They're saying this doesn't work with this, but that hasn't been my experience. Blah, blah, you get the picture.

How do you do that, with accuracy, consistently? You'd need test subjects, right? People with Lyme. Thinking about it now, has anyone ever heard of companies like this looking for test subjects? Do they use animals? I mean, these things obviously work - I've been kept alive by natural medicine for years now - but... who is this stuff getting tested on, how do they know it works? Thinking about it, it's all very strange. For the more popular doctors, I guess they'd be testing their stuff in practice, huh? My doctor's always trying something new, it seems. They're not HER products, tinctures, etc tho. Weird.

At the end of the day, it's their product line, so they can say whatever they want, but I just feel like it'd be a mess.

Strange that such a chart exists, listing all those contraindctions, because I got curious, emailed Nutramedix, and this was their response:

"Dear Antonio,



Thank you for your inquiry. All Nutramedix products are compatible with each other with the exception of Vitamin C, which should be taken after meals and apart from the herbals, per the label dosing instructions.



Kind regards,



Your Customer Service Team"
-------

I guess they changed their minds?

Sorry, if this post is a mess. I just talk.

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 1/11/2018 1:14:57 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/11/2018 3:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Your comments make a lot of sense, NotQuiteAntonio. To make such a chart the "right" way would be very difficult, if not impossible. The reply from NutraMedix is interesting. Thank you for taking the time to e-mail them.

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   Posted 1/11/2018 4:02 PM (GMT -6)   
LymeSick 🌟 said...
Found a different one:

/i.imgur.com/qhulPR4.png


Nicely done, by the way! I thought I did as pretty deep search, including the "Wayback Machine" archive. But, obviously, I could use some tutoring! smile

Seb4
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   Posted 1/11/2018 10:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks to all of you. I have no idea how you unearthed these charts but it's brilliant. While they do not address the Buhner protocol (and I agree with you NotQuiteAntonio, a truly comprehensive list would be exhausting and, in the end, subjective), they have helped me a lot. I was interested to see that houttuynia and cumanda are regarded as compatible (as I thought it was their combination that was making me feel weird). Thanks also for contacting Nutramedix (which is perhaps what I should have done in the first place). It is also interesting to note that samento and cumanda are regarded as incompatible (I am assuming this incompatibility can be extended to include cat's claw, which partially addresses Buhner). These charts also suggest that incompatibility exists only with simultaneous ingestion, which puzzles me as one would imagine that coexistence in the bloodstream (when taken fifteen minutes apart) would still pose problems. I guess we just have to proceed cautiously and if a bad reaction occurs report it here as a warning to others.
I can't thank all of you enough for your kindness and help.

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/11/2018 10:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Seb, that is why we do one drop on the first day. Just to "test the waters" so to speak. We are our own guinea pigs.
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