Positive EBV Test - Possible Lyme?

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anon4545
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   Posted 1/10/2018 7:48 PM (GMT -6)   
This is my recent health history:

Came down and tested positive for mono in Feb 2017 (Severe throat, chills, ache, mild fatigue). Throughout 2017 every 5-6 weeks I would feel "sick" (mild aches/chills) for 48-72 hours. Not ideal, but not a disaster. As of Dec 1, I have been chronically ill and have not shown any improvement (Aches, chills, anxiety/depression). Had my blood work done for a variety of tests and was negative for everything (Including Western Blot) but Positive for EBV. Test results below:

EBV AB VCA IgM - 46 (>44 is positive)
EBV Early Antigen AB, IgG - 33 (>11 is positive)
EBV AB VCA, IgG - >600 (>22 is positive)
EBV Nuclear Antigen AB IgG - 79 (>22 is positive)

So essentially across the board HIGH EBV. My question is - does anyone think this could actually be lyme? I want to make sure as I know how insidious that can be. My symptoms don't honestly seem to fit either lyme or EBV (I have no fatigue). I really don't know how to interpret these results and if I should just assume it is a re-flare of the EBV/Mono I previously had and just something I might have to live with on/off for years.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/10/2018 8:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, anon4545:

Check-out the following page and see "9. Epstein-Barr Virus: A Key Player in Chronic Illness"

/rawlsmd.com/health-articles/best-rawlsmd-2017-our-top-10-chronic-illness-stories

Also, please see the following article:

New To Lyme? Start Here!
/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1606610

Welcome to the forum. I hope you're able to find the help you need.

Sincerely,
The Dude

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 9:25 PM (GMT -6)   
anon4545 said...
This is my recent health history:

Came down and tested positive for mono in Feb 2017 (Severe throat, chills, ache, mild fatigue). Throughout 2017 every 5-6 weeks I would feel "sick" (mild aches/chills) for 48-72 hours. Not ideal, but not a disaster. As of Dec 1, I have been chronically ill and have not shown any improvement (Aches, chills, anxiety/depression). Had my blood work done for a variety of tests and was negative for everything (Including Western Blot) but Positive for EBV. Test results below:

EBV AB VCA IgM - 46 (>44 is positive)
EBV Early Antigen AB, IgG - 33 (>11 is positive)
EBV AB VCA, IgG - >600 (>22 is positive)
EBV Nuclear Antigen AB IgG - 79 (>22 is positive)

So essentially across the board HIGH EBV. My question is - does anyone think this could actually be lyme? I want to make sure as I know how insidious that can be. My symptoms don't honestly seem to fit either lyme or EBV (I have no fatigue). I really don't know how to interpret these results and if I should just assume it is a re-flare of the EBV/Mono I previously had and just something I might have to live with on/off for years.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks


Hi anon, welcome to our community.

It is quite common for those with lyme to have high antibodies for EBV.
I don't have fatigue either, but I do have lyme, bart and most likely babesia.

No...you don't want to live with 'this' on/off for years.

What lab did you test negative for lyme at?

I suggest you do an Igenex WB Igm and IgG for $250.
Call Igenex and order the test kit. Have your Dr. sign the lab req. you don't need the full panel, just the WB.
Get the blood draw, and send off to igenex (on a Monday or Tuesday - you want it to reach them before Friday as they are closed weekends.

Three weeks later...you get results back.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

anon4545
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   Posted 1/10/2018 10:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
anon4545 said...
This is my recent health history:

Came down and tested positive for mono in Feb 2017 (Severe throat, chills, ache, mild fatigue). Throughout 2017 every 5-6 weeks I would feel "sick" (mild aches/chills) for 48-72 hours. Not ideal, but not a disaster. As of Dec 1, I have been chronically ill and have not shown any improvement (Aches, chills, anxiety/depression). Had my blood work done for a variety of tests and was negative for everything (Including Western Blot) but Positive for EBV. Test results below:

EBV AB VCA IgM - 46 (>44 is positive)
EBV Early Antigen AB, IgG - 33 (>11 is positive)
EBV AB VCA, IgG - >600 (>22 is positive)
EBV Nuclear Antigen AB IgG - 79 (>22 is positive)

So essentially across the board HIGH EBV. My question is - does anyone think this could actually be lyme? I want to make sure as I know how insidious that can be. My symptoms don't honestly seem to fit either lyme or EBV (I have no fatigue). I really don't know how to interpret these results and if I should just assume it is a re-flare of the EBV/Mono I previously had and just something I might have to live with on/off for years.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks


Hi anon, welcome to our community.

It is quite common for those with lyme to have high antibodies for EBV.
I don't have fatigue either, but I do have lyme, bart and most likely babesia.

No...you don't want to live with 'this' on/off for years.

What lab did you test negative for lyme at?

I suggest you do an Igenex WB Igm and IgG for $250.
Call Igenex and order the test kit. Have your Dr. sign the lab req. you don't need the full panel, just the WB.
Get the blood draw, and send off to igenex (on a Monday or Tuesday - you want it to reach them before Friday as they are closed weekends.

Three weeks later...you get results back.


Ok thanks. Yes someone else also recommended this.

https://www.igenex.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IGeneX-Price-List.pdf.pdf

That is the current pricing sheet. To confirm - are you recommending #585 and #595? (Page 2).

I did a generic Western Blot through my general care doc, done through labcorp.

So the Igenex WB is an expanded version of this test?

Thanks for the advice

The Dude Abides
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Date Joined May 2017
Total Posts : 1133
   Posted 1/10/2018 10:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow, I'd not seen that price list before. Thanks for posting, anon4545.

While testing isn't perfect, it saddens me to know that many people do not get tested, simply due to the costs involved. I wish I were a multi-billionaire, so I could set-up a foundation to help those with suspected Lyme Disease and Co-Infections, as well as investing in clinical trials using a variety of medications, herbs, supplements, etc. in combinations. Money should never be a barrier to getting well.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 11:34 PM (GMT -6)   
anon4545 said...
Girlie said...
anon4545 said...
This is my recent health history:

Came down and tested positive for mono in Feb 2017 (Severe throat, chills, ache, mild fatigue). Throughout 2017 every 5-6 weeks I would feel "sick" (mild aches/chills) for 48-72 hours. Not ideal, but not a disaster. As of Dec 1, I have been chronically ill and have not shown any improvement (Aches, chills, anxiety/depression). Had my blood work done for a variety of tests and was negative for everything (Including Western Blot) but Positive for EBV. Test results below:

EBV AB VCA IgM - 46 (>44 is positive)
EBV Early Antigen AB, IgG - 33 (>11 is positive)
EBV AB VCA, IgG - >600 (>22 is positive)
EBV Nuclear Antigen AB IgG - 79 (>22 is positive)

So essentially across the board HIGH EBV. My question is - does anyone think this could actually be lyme? I want to make sure as I know how insidious that can be. My symptoms don't honestly seem to fit either lyme or EBV (I have no fatigue). I really don't know how to interpret these results and if I should just assume it is a re-flare of the EBV/Mono I previously had and just something I might have to live with on/off for years.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Thanks


Hi anon, welcome to our community.

It is quite common for those with lyme to have high antibodies for EBV.
I don't have fatigue either, but I do have lyme, bart and most likely babesia.

No...you don't want to live with 'this' on/off for years.

What lab did you test negative for lyme at?

I suggest you do an Igenex WB Igm and IgG for $250.
Call Igenex and order the test kit. Have your Dr. sign the lab req. you don't need the full panel, just the WB.
Get the blood draw, and send off to igenex (on a Monday or Tuesday - you want it to reach them before Friday as they are closed weekends.

Three weeks later...you get results back.


Ok thanks. Yes someone else also recommended this.

https://www.igenex.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/IGeneX-Price-List.pdf.pdf

That is the current pricing sheet. To confirm - are you recommending #585 and #595? (Page 2).

I did a generic Western Blot through my general care doc, done through labcorp.

So the Igenex WB is an expanded version of this test?

Thanks for the advice


I’m recommending two individual tests #188 and # 189 (Lyme WB IgM and IgG)
$250 total for both.



/www.igenex.com/resources/forms/
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 1/10/2018 10:44:54 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 1/10/2018 11:47 PM (GMT -6)   
They (Igenex) have a few new tests - an IgxSpot and an Immunoblot that look to be similar to the Armin Lab tests that some llmd’s are preferring.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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