are all B12s equal?

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Irishlymie
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   Posted 1/16/2018 6:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I have been prescribed by a certain Belgian Dr. two I.M. injections of 10ml hydrocobalamin (B12) x2/week.
I have been too sick to make it to these appointments at my nurses office every week.

I have been taking sub lingual tablets instead, is there a difference, is this as good?

what kind of b12 do you take?

BabsBunny
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   Posted 1/16/2018 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I use methylcobalamin

https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/four-types-vitamin-b12/
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astroman
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   Posted 1/16/2018 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   
No, not at all.

One gene Dr told me Adeno B12 is the best , and getting more common. Its the last in line in "conversions" needed to use it.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again w/with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / repairing / fine tuning since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Hashimotos adds to the enjoyment.

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   Posted 1/16/2018 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
I thought there could be an issue if you have the gene (mthfr) that affects the way you process it.’Some people do better with the Methylated B’s
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Irishlymie
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   Posted 1/16/2018 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
ok thanks for all the replies guys;)

Girlie
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   Posted 1/16/2018 1:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's a thread that discusses the B's
I also take the methylated B's.


/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3835313
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Post Edited (Girlie) : 1/16/2018 11:35:16 AM (GMT-7)


cakegirl
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   Posted 1/16/2018 9:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Supposedly the injections of B12 are most effective. And there are also nasal sprays/drops that are supposed to be better than oral at raising B12 levels. We've used this one and it comes with the nasal sprayer:

https://www.vitaminwagon.com/methyl-matevitaminb12liquid.aspx

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   Posted 1/17/2018 4:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Irishlymie said...
I have been prescribed by a certain Belgian Dr. two I.M. injections of 10ml hydrocobalamin (B12) x2/week.
I have been too sick to make it to these appointments at my nurses office every week.

I have been taking sub lingual tablets instead, is there a difference, is this as good?

what kind of b12 do you take?


Cyanocobalamin is the standard B-12 you find in most pharmacies and what most physicians prescribe. I usually recommend a sublingual methylcobalamin as more people may respond to it vs the regular B-12. For the poor methylators, their genetics dictate that Adenosylcobalamin and Hydroxocobalamin be utilized. People that have a MTRR mutation (most of us here do) often need more cobalamin to complete the folate pathway. Adenosylcobalamin is utilized like methylcobalamin and beneficial for the poor methylators. Care should be taken with Hydroxocobalamin in that lower quantities are often needed and it still needs converting to methylcobalamin. It has a higher chance of binding transport proteins than the other forms. Either get frequent blood work to determine B-12 levels while taking it or pause administration when adverse events happen.

Methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin are active enzymes that work intracellularly to ensure specific reactions take place. The cyanocobalamin and hydroxocobalamin are usually serum laden and act as transports for the cobalamin molecules.

B-12 insufficiency is just one potential problem that we sick people face. The entire methylation pathway needs to be looked at and the deficiencies need to be discovered. What many will find is that there are inefficiencies in sulfur metabolism and sulfur containing amino acids like methionine can be problematic. This begins in the GI tract and dysbiosis is very common.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/17/2018 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
To Georgia Hunter's point that we must avoid a reductionist view of our health:

MTRR and Vitamin B12 Impact Your Homocysteine
/suzycohen.com/articles/mtrr

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 1/17/2018 5:50 PM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
To Georgia Hunter's point that we must avoid a reductionist view of our health:

MTRR and Vitamin B12 Impact Your Homocysteine
/suzycohen.com/articles/mtrr


Nice find, I hadn't seen that one.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/17/2018 5:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Georgia Hunter said...
The Dude Abides said...
To Georgia Hunter's point that we must avoid a reductionist view of our health:

MTRR and Vitamin B12 Impact Your Homocysteine
/suzycohen.com/articles/mtrr


Nice find, I hadn't seen that one.


Well, I know it's not from a lack of research! smile Say...it's good to see you here during some "normal" hours. I hope you're winning the sleep battle.

Irishlymie
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   Posted 1/18/2018 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
wow! a lot of great sources for me to read. thanks again
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