Have you ever taken Adderall while sick with Lyme? If so, did you notice any effect on your Lyme symptoms?
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No, I have never taken Adderall while sick with Lyme - 44.4%
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Yes, I have taken Adderall while sick with Lyme and felt that my Lyme symptoms improved while on the medication - 33.3%
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Yes, I have taken Adderall while sick Lyme and felt that my symptoms stayed about the same while on the medication - 22.2%
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Yes, I have taken Adderall while sick with Lyme and felt that my Lyme symptoms worsened while on the medication - 0.0%

 
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Intuition
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   Posted 1/16/2018 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I know this may be somewhat of a controversial topic, but has anyone had any experience with the medication Adderall as it relates to their Lyme Disease? I was prescribed Adderall IR for many years and took it consistently without any negative side effects or issues both prior to, during, and after my official Lyme diagnoses.

I discontinued taking it a while ago, as the Lyme disease had run me down to a point where I was having a difficult time functioning normally, and spent most of my days working from home, and unable to participate in most social functions that I was invited to. I figured that taking a stimulant medication while my body was clearly exhausted would probably be counter-productive. Going off of the medication exasterbated my fatigue, concentration, and brain fog symptoms and drastically cut my day-to-day productivity, but I was so drained from the Lyme that I didn't even care.

Now, about a year out after getting re-diagnosed with Lyme at the beginning of 2017, and doing three months of ABX, plus 6-7 months of Buhner protocol, I am considering refilling my Adderall prescription and seeing how I do on it. I still have several doses left over from an old prescription, and over the past few months, have sporadically taken a dose here and there to see how it effects me, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that many of my symptoms temporarily subsided while on the medication. These results were consistent each time I took a dose of Adderall.

The fatigue and brain fog were still present to a certain extent, but drastically subsided, as I was able to almost fully-concentrate on what I was doing. In addition, my fatigue symptoms and aches and pains improved significantly - I was able to power through many chores and tasks without really even noticing the joint pain, whereas I normally would be in pain to the point where it was actually distracting from the task at hand. Another strange improvement while on the medication, was my balance. I struggle with vertigo and left-sided weakness daily, at times flaring up to the point where I need to sit down, or, if in public, need to take a minute to stop what I'm doing, focus, and re-orient myself. My mood was also improved, and I felt much less anxious and "on edge."

The next day, or several hours after each dose wore off, all of my symptoms re-presented themselves exactly as they were prior, no better or worse.

Financially, I am in a position where I cannot afford to not go back to work full-time in the near future. I can take the next few months off and continue to heal, but by mid-year, I really do not have a choice but to pull it together as best I can and resume life as normally as I can manage.

I would love to hear about anyone's prior experiences with this medication, and if they had similar abatement in any Lyme symptoms while taking it. I'm unaware of any legitimate studies published on this topic.

Side note: I am clinically diagnosed as ADHD, and have been for years. All medication was prescribed by a licensed doctor and I went through all of the proper channels to obtain this medication legally. I am not suggesting that anyone who is not prescribed to this medication try it as a "temp cure" or "experiment" for their Lyme symptoms.

Post Edited (Intuition) : 1/16/2018 7:07:26 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 1/17/2018 1:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Intuition - First - just wanted to say that I haven't taken Adderall.

I find it interesting that your symptoms are better by taking Adderall. i could see the fatigue, brain fog...but the joint pains and balance?

I wonder why it's helping with that.

If you feel better while on it...and you can work full time...then maybe that's the best choice at this time for you.

I have been pushing through my pain from Day 1 with this disease. Then I heard an interview that Dr. J.had given...and he said he has patients that say they can handle the pain...etc. And he says it's important to treat it...because your immune system can't handle it. (or something along those lines). It's better for healing if you treat the pain.

So, if the Adderall is helping you that much (I don't know much about the medication) and the side effects/risks are low...then it sounds like a good decision.
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Psilociraptor
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   Posted 1/17/2018 8:50 AM (GMT -6)   
I have had mixed results with amphetamines. Some have made me feel better, others have made me feel worse, at different points in my infection so it's hard to say which factors were more relevant. There were some studies wayyyy back that amphetamines helped with peripheral nerve dysfunction by increasing the firing rate of neurons and mitigating the delay of signals across broken fibers. Could be a reason why pain is reduced. I know coffee helps my nerves a lot. I don't know, however, how conducive the long term use of amphetamines is to healing. Been a long time since I've read on them but pretty sure they increase oxidative stress and accelerate atherosclerosis and other signs of aging and inflammation. But don't take that at face value. Again, haven't looked into the topic in years

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   Posted 1/17/2018 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   
I’d say take it if it helps, but it is better to use it occasionally rather than daily as you will build up tolerance.

Have you ever heard of modafinil? I have taken it and it worked wonders for me, super charged my brain, mind, focus, gave me lots of energy. It’s like a mild stimulant but it has helped big time. I don’t use it daily though as I find tolerance builds upto it quickly.

Intuition
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   Posted 1/17/2018 6:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Psilociraptor, what you are saying definitely makes sense in reference to the pain. While taking Adderall, the pain is significantly reduced for me, and I don't have that "numb sensation" in my muscles and joints.

LymePickle, I have never heard of Modafinil but I will look into it. In the past, I have tried both Concerta and Vyvanse as Adderall alternatives for AHDH and was not a fan of either.

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 1/17/2018 7:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Am taking adderall, specifically for Lyme, it helps with focus and fatigue. I don't care what anyone thinks, it's a great medication. Helps me function, versus being in bed all day.

Intuition
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   Posted 1/18/2018 1:18 AM (GMT -6)   
LymeSick, I agree and good for you. I've had a few people over the years criticize me for taking Adderall, some even going to the extreme of blaming my Lyme symptoms on medication side-effects, which is crazy and delusional. I think everyone needs to stick with what works for them.

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 1/19/2018 6:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Intuition, I agree with you too. You can't listen to other people, they don't know what works for you.

Georgia Hunter
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   Posted 1/20/2018 2:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Just an FYI, but Adderall is a methyl group away from being Crystal Meth.

Among other things, Adderall activates protein kinases inside the neuron. I've said for a long time that I have protein kinase issues.

LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 1/20/2018 11:42 AM (GMT -6)   
No offence Georgia Hunter, but it's comments like that, that make it really hard for people to get their prescription.

In Chemistry, one methyl group makes a huge difference. Meth is also usually sold as free base, in contrast to Adderall.

Adderall is one of the most researched medications in the world, and there hasn't been a single study that confirmed chronic adverse effects in humans.

And FYI, "Crystal Meth" (Methamphetamine) is an approved drug by the FDA, under the name Desoxyn. It helps people with narcolepsy, ADHD and obesity. Who I'm sure people who are prescribed that are looked upon even worse than we are.

There's a big difference between recreational use and supervised usage with severely limited dosages.

For the same reason MDMA was considered an awful drug due to comments like that, until they confirmed last year that in tiny dosages, it helps people with depression and PTSD.

/www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-designates-mdma-as-breakthrough-therapy-for-ptsd/

Girlie
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   Posted 1/20/2018 4:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Remember - you can always wean off of it after you're healed.



Sometimes pharmaceuticals are necessary. We need to get some relief and not always do natural methods do the job.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Intuition
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   Posted 1/21/2018 1:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree Girlie and LymeSick. To this day, the only negative side effect of taking Adderall that I have experienced has been having to put up with other people's ridiculous, uninformed commentary about the medication. (That's not a dig at you, Georgia Hunter -- I'm talking about people outside of a discussion forum giving incorrect, unsolicited advice)

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   Posted 1/21/2018 4:14 AM (GMT -6)   
LymeSick 🌟 said...
No offence Georgia Hunter, but it's comments like that, that make it really hard for people to get their prescription.
In Chemistry, one methyl group makes a huge difference. Meth is also usually sold as free base, in contrast to Adderall.
Adderall is one of the most researched medications in the world, and there hasn't been a single study that confirmed chronic adverse effects in humans.
And FYI, "Crystal Meth" (Methamphetamine) is an approved drug by the FDA, under the name Desoxyn. It helps people with narcolepsy, ADHD and obesity. Who I'm sure people who are prescribed that are looked upon even worse than we are.
There's a big difference between recreational use and supervised usage with severely limited dosages.
For the same reason MDMA was considered an awful drug due to comments like that, until they confirmed last year that in tiny dosages, it helps people with depression and PTSD.
/www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-designates-mdma-as-breakthrough-therapy-for-ptsd/

I don't take offense, I was just stating a fact. I deal with Adderall prescriptions every day and see them no differently than any other medication. They have their advantages and their disadvantages. To say there are no confirmed chronic adverse effects in humans is incorrect. I could post multiple references but that is not the intent of this post.

I've filled many more than a million prescriptions in my 25 years and never seen a Desoxyn prescription. There is a reason for that. I would describe the use of MDMA for PTSD as irresponsible. There are many different ways to treat PTSD that have fewer adverse effects. I once read research that showed PTSD was a GI disorder. I should have saved it but it wasn't my focus at the time.

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   Posted 1/21/2018 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
This is anecdotal of course... But having experience with both oral/intranasal methamphetamine and prescription adderall I can say, subjectively, they are practically indistinguishable. As a former drug "addict" the use of novel amphetamine analogs was also widely prevalent in my circles. Some differences in pharmacology were supported by subjective experiences, but the biggest difference was usually whether the individual was taking modest therapeutic doses or chasing high intensity experiences through vaporization or injection. I don't want to make the false impression that they all bear equal risks, but from what I recall back in the day much of the literature was highly biased in that adverse effects of adderall were studied mostly by administration in a therapeutic context whereas adverse effects of methamphetamine were most often studied in the context of high dose chronic exposure. One has to be very careful in comparing them. Two different drugs, with different patterns of use.

Same goes for MDMA. MDMA is likely potently toxic with chronic administration, but tolerance and use patterns usually preclude this type issue and these isolated exposures can greatly facilitate psychotherapy. This drug is, again, similar in some ways, but also incomparable to other amphetamines in others. I guess my point here is, there's very little to be generalized other than a potential for harm within some circumstances. Analogs are similar in some ways but also divergent in others and an assessment of risk always needs to be made with nuance to the drug of choice, psychological and physiological condition of the patient, dosage, chronicity of exposure, etc

I PERSONALLY, struggle to consider picking up amphetamines again due to neurological and cardiovascular concerns that Lyme disease alone was left me with. But for what it's worth, I find Kratom a preferable alternative in regards to fatigue and pain. YMMV

Post Edited (Psilociraptor) : 1/21/2018 8:55:40 AM (GMT-7)


LymeSick 🌟
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   Posted 1/21/2018 5:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with some of the posts here.

Good luck Intuition, do what's best for you.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 12:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Lymesick, I think I'm agreeing with you more than disagreeing. I think these drugs are probably toxic, but I also think the decision to use is a very personal one where pros and cons are weighed at the level of the individual. My comparison between adderall and methamphetamine was not to elevate concerns of the dangers of adderall like GH did, but rather question the stigmatization of meth in the first place and appropriateness of GH's comment. You are right in that they are different drugs. GH is also right in that they are similar. What I disagree with GH is that their similarities warrant stigmatization. Obviously meth is a potentially destructive drug and it's similarities to pharmaceutical amphetamines warrant caution. On the other hand, there are clear therapeutic uses for both and it's important to realize that stigmatization has largely been born out of different use contexts that don't necessarily apply to this case. Unless of course we were talking about chronic high dose rapid exposure via inhalation and injection for Lyme disease wink

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   Posted 1/23/2018 2:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Each of us have personal experiences that helps mold the way we think about different things. If we were in the others shoes, we may feel differently than we do now. I've been doing this a long time and have a lot of stories. Always weigh the benefit of a medication verses the risk.

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   Posted 1/23/2018 9:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Georgia Hunter said...
Each of us have personal experiences that helps mold the way we think about different things. If we were in the others shoes, we may feel differently than we do now. I've been doing this a long time and have a lot of stories. Always weigh the benefit of a medication verses the risk.


I agree with this 100%. Out of curiosity GH, are you a pharmacist? Your posts seem to imply this but I was just wondering.

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   Posted 1/28/2018 6:34 PM (GMT -6)   
I've tried Vyvanse (similar to Aderall), and it helped with alertness but it is expensive and difficult to get. (Pharmacies would run out all the time, wow every kid in town trying to get some..)

Another option for those looking to help with attention and focus is Mucuna. it's an inexpensive herb and provides L-Dopa (as in dopamine). if you have a dopamine based depression or deficiency you will feel much better. It is not addictive at all. I combine it with L-theanine.

It gives a very nice sense of wellbeing. (if you are low on dopamine).

I like the one made by "Barlowe's herbal elixirs"

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   Posted 1/29/2018 2:46 AM (GMT -6)   
caramba said...
I've tried Vyvanse (similar to Aderall), and it helped with alertness but it is expensive and difficult to get. (Pharmacies would run out all the time, wow every kid in town trying to get some..)

Another option for those looking to help with attention and focus is Mucuna. it's an inexpensive herb and provides L-Dopa (as in dopamine). if you have a dopamine based depression or deficiency you will feel much better. It is not addictive at all. I combine it with L-theanine.

It gives a very nice sense of wellbeing. (if you are low on dopamine).

I like the one made by "Barlowe's herbal elixirs"

The reason they run out all the time is that Vyvanse costs the pharmacy over $900 for a 100 count bottle and there are seven different strengths of it. Managing that inventory when the reimbursement isn't sufficient to cash flow the money is difficult.
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