Co-infections but no Lyme ?????

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mm57553
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   Posted 1/19/2018 5:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Is it possible to have Babesia and Bartonella but not Borrellia? I have a friend in this situation now. Tested positive for Babs and Bart but negative for Lyme. Never heard of that before.

If the test is accurate, what would the treatment for that be?

Traveler
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   Posted 1/19/2018 5:12 PM (GMT -6)   
While it is possible, the most likely thing that happened is that your friend is seronegative, but has Lyme anyway, as this is actually quite common. Sometimes one infection is kind of "hidden" because the levels of bacteria aren't very high, and so the body is only dealing with what's most threatening at that point in time.

In that case, the person should only treat Bartonella and Babesia (assuming they have zero Lyme symptoms), and watch for Lyme symptoms to show up during treatments.

I would suggest that they see a LLMD at least at first, for more direction.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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mareish
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   Posted 1/19/2018 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
I originally tested positive for Bartonella and Ehrlichia but not Lyme. That was through Quest. I was positive on their Lyme Elisa but negative on their western blot.

Then I went to Igenex and tested positive for Bartonella, Ehrlichia, AND Lyme.
Quest Elisa Lyme positive 2/2017
Igenex Lyme WB igm positive 3/2017 and July '17
Quest Ehrlichia positive 3/2017 neg. July '17
Igenex Bartonella positive 4/2017 neg. July '17
CD57 30 in 4/2017 12 in July '17

Rikky1
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   Posted 1/19/2018 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
the distinction really doesn't matter in regards to treatment because if you treat babesia you're going to get an antibiotic with it to prevent resistance of the anti-malarial drug like atovaquone. this is for abx not necessarily herbs then again herbs have a broad spectrum of things they do.

bart same thing you take an abx for it and it can also hit lyme.

Dr. J in DC assumes and treats for all 3 B's seems everyone that walks through his door has all 3 at minimum these days.

mm57553
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   Posted 1/20/2018 10:04 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, guys. The results are from a DNA Connexions test. She was tested through my LLMD. It's actually my friend's daughter, who is 17. She is very sick and has been for about a year. A mutual friend put her in touch with me because her daughter's symptoms were so much like mine. We all live in the same neighborhood, and we have become friends.

She saw my LLMD but wasn't crazy about him. That's fine, I get it. I referred her to another LLMD, probably the best known in Texas. She has an appointment in a few months (earliest she could get in). But it's frustrating because she still wants to trust all the other doctors they've seen who say it's not Lyme. They are going to the Mayo clinic next week because she's still pursuing other avenues.

She was told that she has Complex Regional Pain Syndrome, and she's kind of hanging on to that "diagnosis," and I don't know why, especially since she's gotten worse since those doctors diagnosed and started treating her for that.

It's just frustrating because I know that's not what it is, but she keeps listening to all these doctors even though they haven't helped her at all. I think she will eventually accept and treat for Lyme, and she will probably go the abx route. But she's open to herbals and may do a combination of the two. The other LLMD she is seeing in a few months is pretty big on abx.

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   Posted 1/20/2018 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Best of luck with this, MM. Just remember, even if you are convinced she has Lyme, it's up to her to decide what to do about it. That's likely the hardest part of helping others - sometimes they listen to the doc's that deny that Lyme is even in the state and so they "must" have something else other than these infections - even if they are presenting as 'textbook' cases.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

Aerose91
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   Posted 1/20/2018 10:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler said...
While it is possible, the most likely thing that happened is that your friend is seronegative, but has Lyme anyway, as this is actually quite common. Sometimes one infection is kind of "hidden" because the levels of bacteria aren't very high, and so the body is only dealing with what's most threatening at that point in time.

In that case, the person should only treat Bartonella and Babesia (assuming they have zero Lyme symptoms), and watch for Lyme symptoms to show up during treatments.

I would suggest that they see a LLMD at least at first, for more direction.


Hey Traveler,

What are the symptoms that are specific to lyme vs one of the coinfections?

Traveler
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   Posted 1/21/2018 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
There is a whole lot of overlapping symptoms between these infections, but the best list I've come across has been this one:

www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=29861

They don't list a lot of the overlapping symptoms, as that only leads to more confusion. They stick with those symptoms which seem to almost define each infection, which is helpful when you are using your symptoms to try to understand what infections you have.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/
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