Is dissociation specific to any one infection?

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Aerose91
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   Posted 1/20/2018 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
For 6 years now I've been demonstrably dissociated. The only thing I've tested positive for us bartonella but i also herxed off of babesia herbs so am currently getting further testing done for babs and lyme (again)

Is dissociation a bartonella specific symptom or can any of the infections cause it?

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   Posted 1/20/2018 11:24 PM (GMT -6)   
In my opinion it can be lyme or any co infection.

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   Posted 1/21/2018 5:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Peteza , but Babesia and Bart can strongly affect the Brain.

This description below is taken from :www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=29861

Wayne Anderson ND



Babesia, or Babesia-like organisms (BABLO) primarily affect the brain and autonomic nervous system. The first words that a patient with active Babesia-like organisms in his body might say are that he can’t focus or think. His cognitive function is significantly compromised, and his mood is almost always affected. Both depression and anxiety are very common. A person with Babesia has a lot of emotional upheaval; fear is a dominant symptom.

All of these slow-growing intracellular infections affect the brain but create different symptom patterns, according to which infection is dominant or most active. I see more depression in people with active Babesia but less variability of mood, whereas people with active Bartonella may be irritable and anxious but then “flip over” into depression. Many people with Bartonella infections are misdiagnosed as having bi-polar disorder due to their fluctuating moods; they can easily go from being angry and irritable to being depressed.


Have you tried any of Buhners suggestions to help with this symptom?

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   Posted 1/21/2018 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Jo, all I did was fix the link, you had accidentally placed a } instead of a ] at the end.

Dissociation is most often connected to Lyme disease, but as it's a brain thing, I would say that it's going to be hard to rule out Babesia as well, due to what we know about that infection as well.

I assume it's because I was infected for over 40 years, but I still suffer from this at lower levels. It used to be that I could have one of my kids be with me, and I could feel nothing - no love, none of the years I poured into helping them be healthy (they were born while I was sick), or the numerous struggles we endured simply because I was too sick to work and was a single mom. It was scary, and shocking that I could loose such deep feelings - but it happened to my new at the time hubby too - I adored him (still do! LOL!) and yet, I could be in his arms hugging him, and not feel anything. Disturbing wasn't quite a strong enough word back then.

Now, it's still there, but at much lower levels. I have just come to understand that I simply don't get those feeling any more - and even though I really dislike that thought, it's what keeps me going at the same time because I know it's my infections, not that I don't feel the love that I do for these people in my life.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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Aerose91
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   Posted 1/21/2018 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   
All of those descriptions perfectly describe what i have ajd much more.

Ive been on Buhner's bartonella and babesia protocol for over 8 months now and nothing has budged

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   Posted 1/21/2018 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
How have your other symptoms been? Are they all healing? If so, I would encourage you to start on Lyme treatments as well.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

Aerose91
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   Posted 1/21/2018 5:14 PM (GMT -6)   
No, nothing is healing at all. I tried lyme herbs in the beginning and they either did nothing (andrographis, eleuthero) or made me literally go crazy (cat's claw, red sage). I just recently had a nanotrap test done so I'm waiting for those results to check for lyme again

gabybee
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   Posted 1/21/2018 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I have dissociation- I have been diagnosed with BART and lyme. I think a lot of my dissociation was Bart and candida, and stomach issues mostly.
22 years old, symptoms started in 2013 and was diagnosed in 2015
HHV6/EBV
Lyme
Bartonella
MTHFR
ecoli+klebsiella
Candida

Treating with multiple vitamins + Supplements, Byron white formulas, and bee venom therapy.

Aerose91
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:33 PM (GMT -6)   
gabybee said...
I have dissociation- I have been diagnosed with BART and lyme. I think a lot of my dissociation was Bart and candida, and stomach issues mostly.


I've heard bart most commonly associated with depersonalization as well. I've been taking Buhner's herbs for it for 8 months and they have done nothing

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   Posted 1/22/2018 9:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
gabybee said...
I have dissociation- I have been diagnosed with BART and lyme. I think a lot of my dissociation was Bart and candida, and stomach issues mostly.


I've heard bart most commonly associated with depersonalization as well. I've been taking Buhner's herbs for it for 8 months and they have done nothing


I was stalled on that protocol until I added internal oregano oil and clove oil on my soles. Don't attempt to use them without reading up on it first, the clove can cause allergic reactions and skin sensitivity.

LilaJ
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   Posted 1/23/2018 5:01 AM (GMT -6)   
I think it's Bart for me which is making this happen
How do you manage it, lve coped til recently but am now seriously scared about holding things together.
I'm just very anxious constantly ,scared of health getting worse,it's a horrible closed loop of anxiety.
I have many wonderful.things in my life and this anxiety is interfering with them very badly.

JustPiccd
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   Posted 1/23/2018 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Babesia is highly association with depersonalization and derealization. But I agree bart can also cause really strange brain symptoms.

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   Posted 1/23/2018 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
JustPiccd said...
Babesia is highly association with depersonalization and derealization. But I agree bart can also cause really strange brain symptoms.


Kinda glad to hear that since bart treatment has fallen flat. I oddly want there to be some protozoan infection so i have something to attack

Aerose91
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   Posted 1/23/2018 11:20 PM (GMT -6)   
LilaJ said...
I think it's Bart for me which is making this happen
How do you manage it, lve coped til recently but am now seriously scared about holding things together.
I'm just very anxious constantly ,scared of health getting worse,it's a horrible closed loop of anxiety.
I have many wonderful.things in my life and this anxiety is interfering with them very badly.


Lila,

I feel you, it's awful. It's been my first amd worst symptom for 7 years. I long to know what it's like to feel again, to be present, to have emotions and connection. Those seem like a different existence to me.

You'll beat it though, do you have a diagnosis? I'd love to hear some success stories of people who have recovered from dissociation on here. That would be nice to read

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   Posted 1/24/2018 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I definitely had disassociation from bart. I just didn't feel things like a normal person. I think it was going on ever since I got the bartonella, but it got really bad a few years ago and I couldn't feel anything, it seemed.

I knew it was bad because for a while I wanted to get rid of my cat, who always comforted me when I was sick. I was diagnosed on the autism spectrum, and told to visit an autism support group. I knew I didn't have autism, and I started treating for lyme and bartonella. Four years later, I feel like I have most of my feelings back.

It's still hard because I go from happy to really depressed sometimes, but it seems to be getting better. I think my weird emotions are hardest on my family because most of the time they just don't understand that I'm just not feeling anything, even though it seems like I'm really sad or afraid or angry. But maybe I just feel like I'm not feeling anything. That doesn't make sense, but then bartonella symptoms never do.

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   Posted 1/25/2018 7:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Notime4lyme said...
I definitely had disassociation from bart. I just didn't feel things like a normal person. I think it was going on ever since I got the bartonella, but it got really bad a few years ago and I couldn't feel anything, it seemed.

I knew it was bad because for a while I wanted to get rid of my cat, who always comforted me when I was sick. I was diagnosed on the autism spectrum, and told to visit an autism support group. I knew I didn't have autism, and I started treating for lyme and bartonella. Four years later, I feel like I have most of my feelings back.

It's still hard because I go from happy to really depressed sometimes, but it seems to be getting better. I think my weird emotions are hardest on my family because most of the time they just don't understand that I'm just not feeling anything, even though it seems like I'm really sad or afraid or angry. But maybe I just feel like I'm not feeling anything. That doesn't make sense, but then bartonella symptoms never do.


So it's taken you 4 years of treatment to get to this point?
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