Feedback on Cowden Protocol, herbs in general and non abx treatment

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Mark FW
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   Posted 1/21/2018 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
So my LLMD mentioned that he liked the Cowden protocol as a abx alternative.

Fact he was a little hesitant to put me on Abx but he probly sensed I was not on board with herb treatment and I specially wanted to start on abx.

The more I read up on this bug and understand the science behind the herbs the more I'm considering going 100% herb protocol after 8 weeks.

I'm sure some of this has to do with my impatience but here's where I'm leaning and welcome any feedback .

*My quality of life, although far from perfect, was better prior to abx.

*My symtoms only improved once I started to take herbs. The best being the Buber and Pinella)

*Most seem to agree that abx alone will not cure this and there are known consequences of long term use. I think like HIV there the right abx cocktail out there. But it has not been nailed yet.

*The science behind herbs is there and tinctures seem the best way to get the antibody in a concentrated form.

*Honestly I can't keep up with all these herbs. I need this packaged up for me.

* Can't say yet if it really cost anymore than what I'm doing now.

Comments welcome.

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/21/2018 7:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I have to contain my enthusiasm for herbs. I know it is not for everyone, but dang, I hate to think where my hubby and I would be if we had of chosen abx.

I am not putting down abx, I realize that it is your choice.

I just love herbs for me and my husband.

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   Posted 1/21/2018 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Mark FW said...
So my LLMD mentioned that he liked the Cowden protocol as a abx alternative.

Fact he was a little hesitant to put me on Abx but he probly sensed I was not on board with herb treatment and I specially wanted to start on abx.

The more I read up on this bug and understand the science behind the herbs the more I'm considering going 100% herb protocol after 8 weeks.

I'm sure some of this has to do with my impatience but here's where I'm leaning and welcome any feedback .

*My quality of life, although far from perfect, was better prior to abx.

*My symtoms only improved once I started to take herbs. The best being the Buber and Pinella)

*Most seem to agree that abx alone will not cure this and there are known consequences of long term use. I think like HIV there the right abx cocktail out there. But it has not been nailed yet.

*The science behind herbs is there and tinctures seem the best way to get the antibody in a concentrated form.

*Honestly I can't keep up with all these herbs. I need this packaged up for me.

* Can't say yet if it really cost anymore than what I'm doing now.

Comments welcome.



"My quality of life, although far from perfect, was better prior to abx."

This is because when we treat with antibiotics, the killing of the bacteria creates toxins that flood our system...increasing inflammation. It is a sign that the 'bugs' are being killed.
However, we don't want to suffer when treating, so we need to detox...and even back down on our antibiotics if the herxing is too great.

"My symtoms only improved once I started to take herbs. The best being the Buber and Pinella)"

Those are support herbs - and they can also be taken in conjunction with antibiotics as a detox, symptom relief.


"The science behind herbs is there and tinctures seem the best way to get the antibody in a concentrated form. "
I don't know what you are saying here. ^^^


Whichever way you treat - is your choice...and we support herbals...antibiotics...or a combo of both.
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1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2018 11:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Choosing abx or herbals (or combination of both) is very much a personal decision. Whatever decision you decide, you will find support here on this board for different paths. That is what is amazing about this board!!

If it were me, I'd probably lean toward Bryon White or possibly Beyond Balance. We are using Buhner's herbals, but I am thinking of rotating Bryon White instead at some point.

There are those who do Cowden on this board. But it doesn't seem as popular as Buhner or some other ones.

If your doctor has good success with Cowden though, then it seems logical to try that. Plus, you have already had good response from Pinella/Burbur (unfortunately, those didn't help us). I did like the appeal of Cowden's schedule. With Buhner, it was much more variable and harder so some to implement. Bryon White and BB tend to be through NP/doctors (less people seem to use these independent).

Best of luck in your decision!
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   Posted 1/23/2018 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Herbs are generally more expensive, but that's because we can't use health insurance to get a better price. If we were paying full price for the pharma abx, the cost would not be so unequal. This simply has to be a factor in our decisions of what to use at times, because, well none of us are "made of money".

Herbs or pharma abx won't help make more antibodies - but I think what you may have meant was something different maybe?

Herbal protocols are much like pharma abx protocols - it can take some trial and error before we find a specific protocol that really helps us, so do be patient and understand you may have to try a few different protocols before finding one that works - and sometimes a person has to use one protocol for one infection, and a different protocol to tackle a different infection.

Bottom line - go with what your body is telling you. Pharma abx have their drawbacks, but so do herbs.

And I too wish you luck in your decision!!
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