what do you do for herx- depression ?

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gabybee
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   Posted 1/21/2018 5:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't been on this forum in about a month, I have been doing so great with bee venom therapy that I haven't really needed to go on here...until now.

Generally, my problems have always been cognitive/neurological so when I herx I generally get brain fog, deep depression, hopelessness, anxiety, irritability, etc. I feel SO isolated and lonely, and I am in a long distance relationship which can at times make me feel even more lonely.

I have tried so many supplements- GABA, SAM-e, St. John's wort, l-theanine, L-tyrosine, almost everything and nothing really helps to make it better. I have also tried CBD oil. Pretty much everything stays the same or gets worse- it doesn't really help me.

I detox with epsom salt baths, glutathione, alpha lipoic acid, and other supplements.

Does anyone have any other recommendations? my depression is seriously affecting my relationships.

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/21/2018 6:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Go outside and take a gentle walk. Clear your head and your mind.

Get busy with a hobby!!!

I liked doing those things to alleviate my anxiety and my depression. My husband could see my depression and he would say, let's go for a drive. God love him!!

I just needed a change of environment.

gabybee
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   Posted 1/21/2018 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I understand that, but my depression doesn't really allow me to just get up and go outside.

I have serious fatigue and just cry all the time.
22 years old, symptoms started in 2013 and was diagnosed in 2015
HHV6/EBV
Lyme
Bartonella
MTHFR
ecoli+klebsiella
Candida

Treating with multiple vitamins + Supplements, Byron white formulas, and bee venom therapy.

gabybee
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   Posted 1/22/2018 3:58 PM (GMT -6)   
anyone else?
22 years old, symptoms started in 2013 and was diagnosed in 2015
HHV6/EBV
Lyme
Bartonella
MTHFR
ecoli+klebsiella
Candida

Treating with multiple vitamins + Supplements, Byron white formulas, and bee venom therapy.

momem3
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   Posted 1/22/2018 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried essential oils? I have found a few that help me. I primarily use either lime, jasmine or basil for anxiety. I will also boost the liver support oils around the same time. German chamomile is my favorite right now. It stinks but really seems to help me.

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 1/22/2018 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't had a lot of depression. I did notice that my mood improved after I started cat's claw and andrographis. Taking garlic seemed to help too. And when I feel really bad sometimes I have some boneset tea or some ginger root.

Mark FW
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Gabybee,

Most my Symptoms are brain related and when I had a bad Herx recently,, it put me in a very dark place mentally. Really, really, bad place. I consider myself pretty grounded and had no idea what real depression was like.

So much so I back off any treatment that makes me Herx.

I do think these 3 herbs really help and are part of Buhners Protocol for Brain Support. (And Cowden) Also I think any brand would be OK but I'd say use the tincture. (Liquid)

1. NutraMedix - Pinella Brain...

2. & Burbur

3. And this Cat’s claw bark (Uncaria tomentosa) also Tincture. Note there are 2 kinds , be sure to get the tomentosa.

Try to think if any new herd or axb brought this on and back off.

Good Luck

acarined
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   Posted 1/22/2018 7:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I have the Bart + Lyme combo and it does cause more depression, hang in there. In particular I have a complete disconnect from people at times, and the irritability makes it worse. I've gotten some relief from internal oregano, clove oil on my soles, andrographis, sida cordifolia, cat's claw, and houttuynia. Ultimately the infection must be controlled to alleviate the symptoms.

Post Edited (acarined) : 1/22/2018 7:00:12 PM (GMT-7)


astroman
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   Posted 1/23/2018 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Did you try higher doses of those supplements you listed?

With Sam-e and gaba, its usually they both work, or both dont. That does not mean that 5-HTP wont work though.

Lithium Orotate- 5mg is another to try, its a salt version of the mineral itself, not the Rx one.

Low thyroid can lead to depression and low motivation/tiredness, and you need all tested: free T4, FreeT3 and TSH. Do not settle for only a tsh test- never!. These infections can lead to hypo (low) thyroid.

Ever try a red bull? Not joking, its different than other energy drinks. It can have positive effects from the amino acids and B vitamins in it. It actually has less caffeine than the same oz of coffee, and wont kill you LOL- people who think so are clueless. If it works, that means some combo of these ingredients in capsule form might be the answer- for now. Caffeine is still hard on adrenals though when were sick.

Liver health is connected to neurotransmitters too. One of the best liver detoxers is D-Limonene, Jarrow is the best bang for the buck 60 gels of 1000mg, $10.

Post Edited (astroman) : 1/23/2018 8:38:52 PM (GMT-7)


RedEye
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   Posted 1/24/2018 2:52 AM (GMT -6)   
maaaaaaaan take my word for it lithium orotate is the answer (pure encapsulations brand has NAC in it which is an excellent combo). I swear if you take it for at least 2 weeks you'll notice a night and day difference when it comes to your mood. It's also great for sleep as it completely stops the racing thoughts at night, at least it did for me. Coffee in the morning is a great mood boost and highly beneficial for your health as well despite the fact that many people would advise you to avoid it since it's hard on the adrenals. Hope this helps!

hammer8
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   Posted 1/24/2018 2:40 PM (GMT -6)   
I get the exact same herx symptoms as you gabybee. Honestly, sleep is the only thing that really helps me. If the herx is terrible, I generally just chalk up the rest of the day, watch a movie, eat a big meal, then go go bed.

Just knowing that I have gotten over worse herxes in the past lets me relax a little bit, but I agree that when it's bad, there is 0% I'm able to ignore it and focus on anything else.

The herxes eventually lessen in intensity - so just hang in there!
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