Has anyone used zeolite?

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cakegirl
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   Posted 1/21/2018 6:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone used zeolite, what form and was it effective for you?

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   Posted 1/21/2018 7:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I've used Zeolite. Mike Adams recently said zeolite is not safe to take, that health practitioners and companies selling it have believed erroneous claims of it's safety and continued the misinformation. He says all tested in lab show it releases aluminum into body. That being said, Dr. Klinghardt says in the book, "New Paradigms in Lyme Disease" that the Zeobind by BioPure is safe because, well, he explains why. So, I tried this one. I did notice when I got up to 3 servings a day(1/2 t per serving) that I had a strong metalic taste in my mouth. I don't know what to make of it. Detoxing or am I getting aluminum in my system from the Zeolite that according to Dr. K I'm not supposed to be getting? Do a search on M Adam's website, Natural News, to read the article about Zeolite. And see if you can find the info on ZeoBind by BioPure. Decide for yourself how to proceed. Also, according to Jay Davidson, Microbe Formulas now has 2 products that contain a charcoal binder(plus zeolite, I think) that has been processed(may not be correct description) in such a way that you don't have to time around food, supplements and meds. Something to consider. I won't be ordering the Zeolite again since I'm not under a doctor's care and don't know what to make of this metallic taste.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/21/2018 8:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I've read Mike Adams article but he never clarifies what brands he tested. He also appears to have only tested powders. There are liquid zeolite products available that have been third party lab tested and the results published.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/22/2018 2:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi princess d , welcome to our community.


I haven't taken zeolite, but I do use Activated Charcoal for a binder. I don't know if it has been effective.


Are you currently treating lyme disease?
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 1/22/2018 3:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Powdered zeolites were suggested to me by an Integrative Medicine Doctor, several years ago, but I've never used them. Recently, I questioned a Naturopath about zeolites and he responded with the following:

"Our liver carries bits and pieces of every toxin, every chemical, every drug we’ve ever taken everything bad we’ve been exposed to. When the liver's fat cells can’t hold any more, it creates body fat to shunt the toxins into. That’s why some folks get deathly sick when losing weight, they’ve cut loose all those toxins and since they can’t get rid of them the nasties are just floating round!

To get rid of any chemicals, heavy metals toxins of any sort anywhere in the body put 20 drops of this in any beverage 2 to 3x daily: www.LiquidZeoliteCompany.com

It will take 6 to 12 months to get most all of it, but it will work. If you want it to work faster, put the drops in a half glass of water and add two teaspoons of liquid chlorophyll and drink one or two of those a day, along with the just plain 20 drops of liquid activated zeolite 2 to 3x a day."


Here are some other supplements that may be helpful for detoxing, based on what I've heard and read:

GCEL: /systemicformulas.com/products/gcel
BIND: /systemicformulas.com/products/bind
MORS: /systemicformulas.com/products/mors

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   Posted 1/22/2018 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
cakegirl said...
I've read Mike Adams article but he never clarifies what brands he tested. He also appears to have only tested powders. There are liquid zeolite products available that have been third party lab tested and the results published.


cakegirl,

Can you tell me where to find the published results of the lab tests? I'd like to know, too. I've asked about zeolite before but was hesitant to try it after seeing that article. Do you know of any other liquid zeolites besides the linked above in The Dude's response?

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   Posted 1/22/2018 3:16 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith,

I found a few liquid zeolite products on Amazon.com. Just search for "liquid zeolite" on the site.

Also, I did some Googling and found the following:

/thegoodinside.com/the-zeolite-fiasco-are-all-zeolites-really-toxic
www.pureliquidzeolite.com/zeolite-scientific-studies-reports

I'm not sure if these help or not, but I thought I'd mentioned them.

Be well,
The Dude

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Here are the links to some of the test results published of various liquid zeolite products:

http://www.resultsrna.com/portfolio-item/acz-nano-extra-strength-element-analysis/
http://www.liquidzeolitecompany.com/pages/Tests.html
https://thegoodinside.com/wp-content/uploads/PB_Extra_Chemical-Analysis.pdf

Here is a woman who wrote a response to Mike Adams Health Ranger claims that all zeolites are contaminated. She indicates that liquid zeolites go through the body intact and would not dissolve and release aluminum. https://thegoodinside.com/the-zeolite-fiasco-are-all-zeolites-really-toxic/

I know Buhner recommends zeolite but I don't think he has ever mentioned a brand.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
cakegirl said...
Here are the links to some of the test results published of various liquid zeolite products:

http://www.resultsrna.com/portfolio-item/acz-nano-extra-strength-element-analysis/
http://www.liquidzeolitecompany.com/pages/Tests.html
https://thegoodinside.com/wp-content/uploads/PB_Extra_Chemical-Analysis.pdf

Here is a woman who wrote a response to Mike Adams Health Ranger claims that all zeolites are contaminated. She indicates that liquid zeolites go through the body intact and would not dissolve and release aluminum. https://thegoodinside.com/the-zeolite-fiasco-are-all-zeolites-really-toxic/

I know Buhner recommends zeolite but I don't think he has ever mentioned a brand.


Thanks, cakegirl! I'll look into these. Health Ranger's claims were published in Oct 2015. I think Buhner's last books came out in 2015, probably after this claim was made. That's probably why there's no mention of this controversy in Buhner's books.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I think you can find controversy for practically any herb or supplement. You really have to research it for yourself before deciding whether or not to use a product based on a single article.

Maybe goshawk will let us know which zeolite she used. Her old post sounded as if she had tried it.

princess d
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree, one can always find an "expert" saying the opposite about the safety or effectiveness of a product. Most of us aren't experts nor can we run lab tests. Personally, I trust Dr. Klinghardt and would take the zeolite he recommends.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
The article you reference by Mike Adams claims all powdered zeolite is tainted by heavy metals.
ZeoBind is a powder and doesn't seem to have posted any third party lab testing for heavy metals. There are multiple liquid zeolite products that have published their element analysis.

princess d
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok, I understand.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2018 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
My Kid#2 naturopath recommended Results RNA ACZ nano Zeolite. We use that with the Results RNA ACG Glutathione for when he's having a bad day.

I was reluctant to use Zeolite from the concerns mentioned earlier. However, I went with my NP recommendation and do use it occasionally for bad days for him. I have not researched other brands, as I deferred to my NP for his experience on this one. No, I don't always follow doctors... but I did follow his recommendation on this one. smile

FWIW - I retested all the kid's heavy metals this past summer. And none of them were high on anything noteworthy. I just double checked their reports (in case you were really interested... LOL), and aluminum was included in the testing too (and it was not high, as it is low like the others).

In case you are really interested, the reference range for aluminum in the report says <=22.3. None of the kids were flagged as being a concern for aluminum in the report.
Kid#1: 2.2
Kid#2: 7.3 <-- this is the kid who uses the Zeolite occasionally
Kid#3: 11

Note that Kid#2 is less in aluminum than Kid#3 (who doesn't even use the Zeolite).

This lab was a "final" retest after we used heavy metal supplements (it was part of my treatment cycle to make sure I covered all my bases). However, prior testing again did not show elevated levels from what I recall (I'd have to find paper work for those since they are older to confirm for sure). But I do recall none of my kids generally tested that high for heavy metals (except for somewhat elevated uranium at one point for Kid#1 but that came back to lower).
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/23/2018 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, 1000Daisies. Did you feel the ACZ zeolite was helpful for him? Did he have any detox reactions to it? Did you start low and work up?

princess d
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   Posted 1/23/2018 1:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you, 1000 Daisies. I do appreciate the info, the detail and time you took to explain(and test results).

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   Posted 1/23/2018 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
cakegirl said...
Thanks, 1000Daisies. Did you feel the ACZ zeolite was helpful for him? Did he have any detox reactions to it? Did you start low and work up?


Please keep in mind that very little helps my kids (especially Kid#1 and Kid#2). For example, detoxing is very heavily promoted on this board. And I think it's something definitely worth doing for vast majority of people. But yet, we just don't see benefit in doing it as recommended on this board. Kid#1 healed without nearly as strong of a detox protocol like others recommend/do.

So, I often will say it doesn't work for us, but please keep in mind that many things do NOT work for my kids (they are very difficult cases to treat)... I don't want to be discouraging to folks simply because we are difficult cases and many things don't help us. sad

Having said that, I only do a few things for Kid#2 that seem worthwhile/beneficial for him on those really bad days: cholestyramine medication, Gluthathione (spray) and Zeolite (spray). For those sprays (gluathathione and zeolite), he does three sprays in the mouth. No, we didn't really work or start low on that. No, we didn't have any obvious detox reactions to it.
These three things help A LITTLE. (Most things don't help at all.)

HTH a little. smile
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

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   Posted 1/23/2018 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
princess d said...
Thank you, 1000 Daisies. I do appreciate the info, the detail and time you took to explain(and test results).


Thanks for the very kind message!

Welcome to the board! smile

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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the welcome and Thanks again for your input, 1000 Daisies. I'm sorry your kids don't get results from much of anything you try with them. I tend to be the same way. I do have the HLA defect and believe mold is a big problem for me. The one thing that does help me, for that day, with energy and motivation(quickness in thinking) is when I do a coffee enema in the morning. I believe it's just having an empty colon. May be because of leaky gut ... who knows.

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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you girlie and sorry, I forgot to reply. I' m not currently being treated for Lyme disease. Well, not by a doctor. I tried abx for a year, 2 years ago, after holding out for a while. Wish I had held out for good. I only felt worse and never better. As I believe now from reading the latest and listening to online seminars, I wasn't a good candidate since I've been chronically ill for 30+ years. I tried the abx shortly after being diagnosed with Lyme. Had always been a CFS & Fibromyalgia diagnosis. With bad seasonal allergies, chemical sensitivities and years of sinus infections. I decided to take a break and instead of spending my $ on another doctor, to buy an infrared sauna and do some things on my own for detox until I decided what my next treatment with a health practitioner would be. I'm 3 weeks into the yeast free diet and just began the anti-fungal. I did this over a decade ago with minimal benefit, but had not take abx for a year back then, so ... Also, I've been taking Mimosa Pudica for worms for 2 1/2 months. I have seen some worms, especially just days after starting. And today, as a matter of fact, lol. Hoping I'm getting out more along with their eggs that I just can't see. I'm now considering doing bio energetic testing and detox treatment and nourishment at the celllular level with herbs, homeopathics and supplement. Some sort of mold detox, too. Oh, I'm trying LDA and started a couple of months ago. Injections 3 days a week. I give them myslef at home. Trying to boost immune system and improve allergies. This is through my Allopathic doc who treated me with the abx. What about you, being treated for Lyme? Anything help or helping you?

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   Posted 1/23/2018 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
princess d said...
I tried abx for a year, 2 years ago, after holding out for a while. Wish I had held out for good. I only felt worse and never better. As I believe now from reading the latest and listening to online seminars, I wasn't a good candidate since I've been chronically ill for 30+ years.


Well, that's not necessarily true. Many people who have chronic lyme do heal with antibiotics...

But, not everyone chooses that route. This forum supports people who treat with abx...and also those who choose an alternative treatment protocol(s).
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 1/23/2018 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
There's also LDI for Lyme you can do.
Some people have made good progress using it. (Low Dose Immunotherapy)

I treated with a LLND (who prescribes abx) for approximately 2 1/2 years...and now have been self-treating.
I started treatment 14 months after symptoms started.

I plateaued with my LLND and he seemed to lose interest in getting me fully healed...so I am now planning a trip to see Dr. J. in Washington, DC.

I have/had close to 40 symptoms over the past few years...and have less than ten left-over with a few that are bad enough to keep me from working and enjoying life.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 1/23/2018 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's another product that has zeolites in it, along with other ingredients:

/www.globalhealingcenter.com/zeotrex.html

Ingredients: /www.globalhealingcenter.com/zeotrex.html#ingredients
Research: /www.globalhealingcenter.com/zeotrex.html#research
FAQs: /www.globalhealingcenter.com/zeotrex.html#faqs

I stumbled upon this, while searching for something else.

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   Posted 1/24/2018 11:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, thanks, I know about LDI. Problem is I'm not under the care of a LLD. Except for my local allopathic doc who does some Lyme targeted treatments, but not others. She started doing LDA(which she calls LDI, but it's not, says an expert doc in the know) so that's what I'm trying.

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   Posted 1/24/2018 1:09 PM (GMT -6)   
princess d said...
Yes, thanks, I know about LDI. Problem is I'm not under the care of a LLD. Except for my local allopathic doc who does some Lyme targeted treatments, but not others. She started doing LDA(which she calls LDI, but it's not, says an expert doc in the know) so that's what I'm trying.



An FYI in case you didn't know:

You can do LDI with Dr. TV who is the LDI guru ( I think he developed the protocol) without actually seeing him. He used to operate his practice in Alaska, but he then moved to Hawaii.

In fact, I think it's best to do it with Dr. TV.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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