Flu or babesia herx?

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Dahlias
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   Posted 1/22/2018 4:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm in the middle of my second week pulsing Mepron along with usual minocyclin and clindamycin, and have been gradually adding in artemisinin (and trying to add Enula). Feeling crummy today. Do you think this is flu or a babs herx? Or side effects? Sx: Fatigue, cough, asthma flare, joint pain and some other musculoskeletal soreness, headache, slightly sore throat, feels like mucus in throat, shaky, mild nausea and lack of appetite. Fwiw, I didn't get much sleep last night so I'm sure that's making it all worse.

Also, is it a problem if I don't take the enula in combination with the Mepron and artemesinin? I think it makes my head feel weird and crawly.

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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hard to know. It sounds more flu like to me, but some people's herxing is more flu-like, too. I haven't taken those meds, so I can't say if it's the meds.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Anytime you change meds, up meds, add a new med or lessen the detoxing, you stand a huge chance of herxing due to the toxin overload.

Dahlias
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Would you take your nighttime doses?
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, but I would take them a little less. Meaning a little lesser dose.

I would use a dry brush or a dry rough towel and dry brush your skin before your shower - great detoxer. I would take it easy in case it is the flu. Watch your temperature, for sure.

If you have asthma, really watch it. Don't get into super stress.

Time to chill and take care of you - baby yourself until you level out again.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 7:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
I'm in the middle of my second week pulsing Mepron along with usual minocyclin and clindamycin, and have been gradually adding in artemisinin (and trying to add Enula). Feeling crummy today. Do you think this is flu or a babs herx? Or side effects? Sx: Fatigue, cough, asthma flare, joint pain and some other musculoskeletal soreness, headache, slightly sore throat, feels like mucus in throat, shaky, mild nausea and lack of appetite. Fwiw, I didn't get much sleep last night so I'm sure that's making it all worse.

Also, is it a problem if I don't take the enula in combination with the Mepron and artemesinin? I think it makes my head feel weird and crawly.


I found the Enula like water...didn't affect me - as far as I could tell.

Those three you are taking are sure to cause herxing. I do think it's a herx.
You can hold off on the Enula if you want for a week.

Are you doing two weeks on of M/W/F and then one week off?

...or one week of M/W/F and one week of M/T/W/Th/F then two weeks off?
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   Posted 1/22/2018 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
If by the flu you mean influenza the easy answer is go in a get the nasal swap-take tens minutes and you will know. For me there was nothing like influenza a-body aches and fever for 4 days straight. Ten pass ozone took the fever and aches away while I was in the chair

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   Posted 1/22/2018 8:34 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
If by the flu you mean influenza the easy answer is go in a get the nasal swap-take tens minutes and you will know. For me there was nothing like influenza a-body aches and fever for 4 days straight. Ten pass ozone took the fever and aches away while I was in the chair


Just did, it was negative. She said it could be a different strain though. Also, I'm a teacher and students have been sick. I have a fever -- can you have a fever with a herx?

Girlie, two weeks of MWF and a week off. (Except they added zith on off weeks for m. pneumonia.)

Still a little worried about taking night doses for fear of big herx + flu + asthma. But I could halve the Mepron and art.

Thanks for being there.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
The truth is, the best way to figure out what is and isn't a herx is to keep a good, detailed Lyme journal. Keep track of which symptoms get bad and when, and journal what's going on in your environment. Herxes don't always happen instantaneously. They can occur hours, days or even a couple weeks later. When beginning a new medication, you want to pay close attention to your symptoms for a while.

"The most common symptoms reported include increased fatigue, joint or muscle pain, skin rashes, photosensitivity, irritability, paresthesia, dizziness, sleep disturbances, asthenia, muscle cramps, night sweats, hypertension, hypotension, headaches (especially migraines) and swollen glands. Also reported are heavy perspiration, metallic taste in mouth, chills, nausea, bloating, constipation or diarrhea, low grade fever, heart palpitations, tachycardia, facial palsy, tinnitus, mental confusion, uncoordinated movement, pruritus, bone pain, flu-like syndrome, conjunctivitis and throat swelling" ("Herxheimer...").


So if you have a full blown fever and have been exposed by all those kiddos, it might be the flu. According to everything I have read herxing is a low grade fever.

If you have the flu, you have 72 hours to do the Tamiflu stuff and you need to stay away from everyone.

Healing hugs. Like you need something on top of lyme --- NOT!

Dahlias
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   Posted 1/23/2018 5:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, guys.

So I guess this is a herx after all. After sleeping (and lots of night sweating), I'm feeling about 50% better. I can't believe how perfectly this imitated influenza. Incredible. This is completely different from my past herxes.

Unfortunately, I fell asleep without taking my medicines, so now I don't know what to do about that. Sigh.
"This too shall pass. It might pass like a kidney stone, but it will pass."

LilaJ
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   Posted 1/23/2018 6:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Does every herx mean you're getting better? Is it kind of a straight line towards healing?
I have gi issues so am worried that abx may not be absorbed fully, but guess l have to trust they will.
Hope you're feeling better by now Dahlias

Dahlias
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   Posted 1/23/2018 6:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, Lila. It's definitely not a straight line, but a herx means you're killing some bugs. (Though you don't have to herx to kill them.)
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