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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
DENTAL QUESTIONS - LONG POST (will try to keep it orderly)

BIOLOGICAL DENTIST VISIT:
Okay, I finally went to see a biological dentist last Thursday. He is SMART certified in the Safe Amalgam Mercury Removal Technique. He does not have a CAVITAT machine and was not familiar with that. He did mention the Cone Beam machine and said there's a lady who travels through this area with one. When I asked his financial lady if she had any idea of the cost of the Cone Beam scan and I thought she said $4,500 (forty five hundred). That sounds outrageous. Maybe I misunderstood and she said $400-500 (four to five hundred). I also asked if he measured galvanism. He said he didn't see reason to if we're going to remove them. (I only have fillings. I have no other metal or implants in my mouth.)

The dentist proposed to remove the amalgams in 2 visits - left side, right side. I told him I was concerned about having that many out at one time and he said I could do it in 4 visits in quadrants if I wanted, but it would cost more as he charges $350 for the room setup each time.

I had full digital xrays plus photos taken of my teeth. I asked if he saw any cavitations and he said he did not. I mentioned that I thought they couldn't be seen on xrays, but he said you can usually see parts of them, just not all of it. He did not see anything that led him to suspect hidden cavitations. He said he worked with a biological dentist in NY who did cavitation surgery and saw what cavitations were like, etc. So, he knows what they are.

This dentist uses Biocomp Lab for the compatibility testing. He gave me the paperwork, but I'll have to get my doctor's office to draw the blood.

I was given a packet that had info in it including their detox protocol. He said I was not required to do it. I haven't even looked at it yet, so I'll probably have more questions once I get that far.

QUESTIONS:
1. Does this sound like an acceptable dentist?
2. How concerned should I be with cavitations at this point?
3. If I DO have hidden cavitation infections, can they be addressed AFTER amalgam removal, or must they be done prior?
4. What do you think about having a mouth full of amalgams removed in only 2 visits? in 4 visits?
5. Should amalgams be removed in a particular order? (I read somewhere that they should be removed in the order of which one has the strongest electrical current.)

CONCERNS:
That removing too many at once (or maybe at all) will make me horribly worse, as I have great difficulty detoxing. (I found this online before I saw the dentist. It worries me, as I'm a terrible detoxer with constipation issues and I'm sure my detox pathways are blocked. I don't think there's any scientific validation of this. It sounds like energy medicine. I'm not sure if this is really true or valid.)

wholebodymed.com/newsletter/caution-mercury-removal-mesenchyme
wholebodymed.com/dentistry/amalgam-removal

I know NO ONE (dentists included) can predict how amalgam removal will affect each patient. Some feel better. Some feel worse (at least temporarily). Some feel no different.

I have no question that the amalgams need to be removed. All but one of them are very old, and I am becoming increasingly suspicious that recirculating metals are causing some of my symptoms. Based on this article I found, mercury from my amalgams may even BE THE CAUSE of my detox difficulties as it sounds like it affects sulfation/methylation processes in the body: amalgam.org/education/scientific-evidenceresearch/results-removal-amalgam-fillings/

I'm just trying to get as much feedback as I can. I want to proceed cautiously, but I also don't want to ignore this or put it off. I feel like it needs to be done.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't have any sage advice but we are wondering the same thing about removal. I am concerned that mercury may be a major issue. Taking them out may make you worse or it may make you better. It's just so hard to know. And having amalgams limits the products you can use to try to get rid of mercury.

Did you try zeolites for mercury removal?

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:19 PM (GMT -6)   
cakegirl said...
I don't have any sage advice but we are wondering the same thing about removal. I am concerned that mercury may be a major issue. Taking them out may make you worse or it may make you better. It's just so hard to know. And having amalgams limits the products you can use to try to get rid of mercury.

Did you try zeolites for mercury removal?


No. I haven't used zeolite. I was wanting to use zeolite to detox ammonia and Lyme toxins. I wasn't sure if it was even safe to use if you still have amalgams.

I've been using charcoal and modified citrus pectin.

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   
walkingbyfaith, I bought a book about mercury detox and after reading it I tracked down the author and asked what products were safe to use when you still had amalgams in your mouth. He recommended a couple products. One is the ACZ nano zeolite. I can't recall what the other product is.

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/22/2018 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought this article was great with regard to removing amalgam fillings

boulderholisticdentistry.com/basic-detox-amalgam-replacement/

cakegirl
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, peteza. Did you have any removed?

PeteZa
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
No, I did not. I have never shown any problems due to amalgams.

We eat one heck of a lot of cilantro, spinach, kale and other veggies that detox metals though.

I guess you might say I eat my way healthy. LOL!

Lapis_29
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   Posted 1/22/2018 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
the dentist sounds fine

I got all of mine out in one go, i think I had 8. It went fine, no problems. There is no order they should come out, just get them out. You are worrying about too many small details, just let the doctor do his job, you will be okay.

Remember on the day of removal take a bunch of charcoal and/or bentonite clay just before you go in, that will grab any random floating mercury that gets released.

this is the yahoo group you should join

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/frequent-dose-chelation/info

That is the support forum for the Cutler chelation method. there is a hair test you get and they will help you interpret it, it will tell you what metals you are dealing with. The only thing I disagree with them is that they will tell you to get up every 4 hours at night to take a chelator. No way someone with lyme is going to do that. I did not and was fine. Everyone needs to make their own choice. Also I take a glutathione supplement which REALLY helps me, but Cutler recommend against it. again, everyone has to decide what is best for themselves.

Cutler knew alot about chelation, but knew NOTHING about lyme, so he never understood that for lymies it might be a little different.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 7:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok-good for you to take the steps. I removed my fillings and then tackled cavitations-if I had to do it over I would try to do as much as possible-filling and cavitations in a month or two. Its sounds odd that this guy doesn't do cavitation work-I would see the guy who does and ask him to check you for cavitations. Why drill out the mercury-filling with better material and then pull out months later. Just this guys opinion. Maybe call the Huggins group and ask them.
couple tips.
Don't travel much right after surgery-do an overnight close by.
Vit C Iv is great after-or get lypersperic vit C. Lots of C and water.
Consider a homeopathic called bodymend.
Do not take Vit C before surgery-it neutralizes the numbing meds-trust me on this.
Is this a good dds-go with your gut.
How much to do at once- again go with your gut.

$4,500 for scan-that cant be right

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   Posted 1/22/2018 7:34 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...


The dentist proposed to remove the amalgams in 2 visits - left side, right side. I told him I was concerned about having that many out at one time and he said I could do it in 4 visits in quadrants if I wanted, but it would cost more as he charges $350 for the room setup each time.



WBF - how many do you have on each side to remove?

I had two done at once on my lower right side...and that was enough - I couldn't have done anymore....sitting for that long with them working on my mouth - I was so done after the two.

I actually opened up the charcoal capsule and and swallowed it with a small amount of water...trying to coat my throat with the charcoal.(prior to the procedure) I read that somewhere.
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Lapis_29
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   Posted 1/22/2018 7:37 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
Its sounds odd that this guy doesn't do cavitation work-I would see the guy who does and ask him to check you for cavitations. Why drill out the mercury-filling with better material and then pull out months later. Just this guys opinion.


not a bad idea

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/22/2018 9:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis_29 said...
magoo2 said...
Its sounds odd that this guy doesn't do cavitation work-I would see the guy who does and ask him to check you for cavitations. Why drill out the mercury-filling with better material and then pull out months later. Just this guys opinion.


not a bad idea


I'm not sure I understand about cavitations. I thought those occurred in the empty sockets where teeth had been removed or where root canals had been done. I had my wisdom teeth removed years ago. If I found out later that I did need cavitation surgery there, that wouldn't mean I'd have to have new fillings removed from my other teeth would it?

I also had 4 teeth removed prior to getting braces - one from each quad. After braces, the teeth next to them were pushed over, so I don't know how much of a cavitation would remain there. I figured those places would be easier for a dentist to see and evaluate on the xrays.

So, you think I should get a Cone Beam scan first before replacing any amalgams and not take the dentist's word that he didn't see any cavitations?

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/22/2018 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
I thought this article was great with regard to removing amalgam fillings

boulderholisticdentistry.com/basic-detox-amalgam-replacement/


From this article:
"Once the amalgam fillings are removed from the teeth, your body will begin to discharge the mercury and other related toxins it had stored up, a process that can take a long time, perhaps years. Any changes in how you feel in the long run will depend upon efficient excretion, as well as adequate nutrition for rebuilding."

"If the bowels are working inefficiently, the toxins can be reabsorbed to poison you all over again."

THIS is what I'm afraid of. If I start suddenly dumping mercury, I will be in big trouble. My body can't handle a big dump of any kind of toxins. Constipation is a daily struggle for me. I've been in such a bad flare for the last week that I had to reduce doses on all my killer herbs and increase magnesium again, and still have straining with bowel movements. Even cleaned up my diet. I feel some relief now but it's not over yet.

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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/22/2018 10:10 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...

Vit C Iv is great after-or get lypersperic vit C.
Do not take Vit C before surgery-it neutralizes the numbing meds-trust me on this.


So, Vit C is good immediately afterward but not immediately before? When you say not to do before surgery, you just mean the day of surgery right?

magoo2
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   Posted 1/22/2018 10:16 PM (GMT -6)   
If its me I would like to know everything I need done. I would also like to get as much don't in one sitting as possible. Cavitations can be a challenge. Its been my experience that dds that don't treat them usually don't find them.
Cone bean-eav-cavitat-muscle test-all can be used to find cavitation.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 10:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
WalkingbyFaith said...


The dentist proposed to remove the amalgams in 2 visits - left side, right side. I told him I was concerned about having that many out at one time and he said I could do it in 4 visits in quadrants if I wanted, but it would cost more as he charges $350 for the room setup each time.



WBF - how many do you have on each side to remove?

I had two done at once on my lower right side...and that was enough - I couldn't have done anymore....sitting for that long with them working on my mouth - I was so done after the two.

I actually opened up the charcoal capsule and and swallowed it with a small amount of water...trying to coat my throat with the charcoal.(prior to the procedure) I read that somewhere.


3 teeth on the left. 4 teeth on the right. Some teeth have more than one filling.

Thanks for the charcoal tip.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 11:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Try Smooth Move tea or try organic Psyllium husks. They will help you go.

Cherries help me so much. A bag of frozen organic cherries. Just defrost them a tad in the microwave and have them with anything. I have gotten canned organic cherries with no sugar added and those did the trick too.

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   Posted 1/22/2018 11:38 PM (GMT -6)   
ONE MORE THING:

I forgot to mention this dentist said he would do onlays on 3 of the teeth - 1 on the right, 2 on the left. He said it would be done in 2 parts. He will have to put a temporary in the day the amalgams are removed and I would have to return a week later for the permanent one.

Has anyone else done this?

This is the only biological dentist close by. I will have to travel 4 hours and stay overnight if I go to the other dentist I was interested in. The dentist 4 hours away uses CEREC and makes the onlays onsite so no temporaries are needed.

Post Edited (WalkingbyFaith) : 1/22/2018 9:49:19 PM (GMT-7)


magoo2
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   Posted 1/23/2018 6:41 AM (GMT -6)   
I read a book long ago- I think it was called Rescued By My Dentist. In it there was a small study-I think done on 17 people on west coast. Their immune system was tested with metal filling in their mouth. Then there metal was removed and their immune system was test again-maybe a month later.
On average their immune system doubled.
Small study but interesting.
Doubling immune system in a month would help almost any health issue-certainly infection.
Good luck

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   Posted 1/23/2018 9:03 AM (GMT -6)   
I just called a biological dentist for my husband. They have ozone treated water, oxygen mask for him, dental dam, charcoal rinse after. Uses porcelain glass fillings.

Also, my son has had like 3 or 4 cone beam scans from his orthodontist & oral surgeon. It was covered as part of his surgery and orthodontist did one at his consult (free).

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Bumping for responses to my last post towards the bottom.

Anyone had onlays installed in 2 parts with temporaries first then permanents a week later?

Is this too much trauma to go through? I've never had any dental work like that, so I don't know how harsh it is on the teeth. Do they have to numb you again and drill out the temporary to put the permanent onlay in?

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   Posted 1/23/2018 4:09 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Bumping for responses to my last post towards the bottom.

Anyone had onlays installed in 2 parts with temporaries first then permanents a week later?

Is this too much trauma to go through? I've never had any dental work like that, so I don't know how harsh it is on the teeth. Do they have to numb you again and drill out the temporary to put the permanent onlay in?


So are onlays the same as caps?

I've never had anything but fillings.

I'm not sure I'd want to go back and have those 'pulled' off and replaced.
Why do they have to do temporaries...and not the permanents?


I have also read that it's best to do the removal one at a time...and give it a few months in-between so you can detox and not be flooded with all the toxins.

BUT - maybe - using a Biological dentist - you won't be flooded with toxins - since the precautions are taken.
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   Posted 1/23/2018 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   
So after you get them removed, do you start oral or IV chelation to be sure mercurybis removed from your blood and tissues? I just found out I have a of mercury due to silver fillings. I’ll be getting hem removed ASAP. But I can’t seem to find an MD in the Chicago area that does IV chelation. Anyone know?

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   Posted 1/23/2018 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Evanston1 said...
So after you get them removed, do you start oral or IV chelation to be sure mercurybis removed from your blood and tissues? I just found out I have a of mercury due to silver fillings. I’ll be getting hem removed ASAP. But I can’t seem to find an MD in the Chicago area that does IV chelation. Anyone know?


best thing to do is get yourself some DMSA and/or Lipoic acid and take one capsule every 3-4 hours, its called the Cutler protocol and it works. I linked the yahoo group earlier in the thread. Obviously you dont want to start chelating until after you remove all mercury.

you dont want to do IV chelation, its too much too hard and too drastic. gentle, consistent chelation is the way to go.

stay away from cilantro and chlorella, thats not true chelators. Use actual scientifically proven chelators that really work. Dont listen to Dr. K on this particular issue, he has no idea what in the @#%$ he is talking about.

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   Posted 1/23/2018 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
That doesn't sound like to much to me-but like all of this its your call. For me I would like to do as much as possible and have less visits to the dds.
Vit C is great after surgery-its even great during surgery. I would not take morning of or even the night before-you really want the numbing meds to work. If you cant do IVs then buy a couple boxes of lyper-speric vit c. Lots of Vit c and water for several days later.
The body heals pretty quick-I usually felt pretty good 36 hours later

Post Edited (magoo2) : 1/23/2018 6:30:15 PM (GMT-7)

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