Recurring flu - how to combat?!?

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Brendoni
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   Posted 1/23/2018 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
So after almost two years I’ve been doing fairly well - just some achiness here and there.

But for the past 6 months I’ve been having these recurring flu like symptoms - fever, flu achiness (I can distinguish this from Lyme aches), headache, and a recurring pain in my right ear / throat. The latter makes me think it’s a flu I caught last August that was never fully tackled? But the problem is, now it’s coming pretty much once a month, and when I catch it the fever lasts at least 4 days. I suspect it comes when I weaken my immune system slightly - exposure to cold, cheats in my strict at home Lyme diet, sleep patterns, etc.

Any suggestions on how to fight this faster??? Or stop it from recurring?? It’s very disruptive and frustrating!

By the way I’m still on a full protocol of antibiotics (5 different ones) and plenty of supplements.

MA10
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   Posted 1/23/2018 2:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Maybe you could add monolaurin to help kill the viruses. I have no clue if that would work. Just throwing ideas out. That's what my doctor gave me to try to fight viruses. I reacted very badly to it because obviously I have a lot of viruses to kill. haha.
Hashimoto's, Lyme, Bartonella, Suspected Babesia, CFS, EBV exposure, mold toxicity, adrenal fatigue, heavy metals, bipolar, parasites
Currently treating with Armour thyroid, Lamictal, Saphris, Low Dose Naltrexone. Clarithromycin, Clindamycin. Adding Ivermectin, Albendazole, and Alinia.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Are you absolutely sure it's a flu virus?

Because your symptom description is almost exactly like what Kid#1 experienced... He was flaring every few weeks from flu-like symptoms (fever, chills, headache, aches, weakness, sometimes sore throat). It was a PREDICTABLE pattern. First time, I thought it was a regular virus. But then it repeated every few weeks - 2, 3 or 4 weeks - and I realized it was a flare.

These were definite flares for him - not a virus.
(FWIW - this was the last symptom of his to go away! He is well now for nearly a year.)

Just curious if that was possible for you too?
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Brendoni
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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hm, interesting. Definitely not absolutely sure it's a flu virus. What's weird is it usually begins as aches – first I interpret them as the typical Lyme aches, but then I realize they're more flu-like aches. Sometimes this can last 2-3 days, and only in the night, and be accompanied by tossing and turning and nightmares. When it first happened in August I thought it was a flare-up, but then with the accompanying fever I suspected the flu (although I was in a hot climate at that point, so catching a flu is tough). I had never had a fever with all my flu symptoms in the year prior to that.

My doctor thought it could also be Babesia acting up, and recommended I take an extra dose of mypron when it comes – but that hasn't helped.

If it is a flare-up, how would I know? And how can I treat it?

dacarte3
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   Posted 1/23/2018 6:08 PM (GMT -6)   
NAC is allegedly good for boosting the immune system. And the of course vitamin C.

Also, Buhner has a "immune tonic". It's Rhodiola, Schisandra, Eleuthero. Matter fact I'm taking it right now.

And I have to give it at least some credit for only having a cold last week for 2 days. I would imagine it would have taken longer to get over without it.

I took the immune tonic, NAC, and ate oranges for those two days.
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ABX Treatment: 03/2016-04/2016; 7/2017-9/2017
Buhner Protocol for Lyme and Mycoplasma: May 2016 - Dec. 2016; 8/2017 - Present

magoo2
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   Posted 1/23/2018 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I had tested positive for influenza a Jan 1. Fever and aches feeling like junk. I did ten pass ozone and th aches and fever went away. I don't know if it was time for the flu to leave-it was day four. I do know that Dr rowen treated ebola with ozone-he has a great youtube channel.
You may consider using some ozone

Brendoni
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   Posted 1/24/2018 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
I take NAC, vit C, and an immune booster (Immucare, I think it's similar to the Buhner one). Can't tell how much any of them help though! Haven't considered ozone but will look into it, thanks!
Clinically diagnosed w/ Lyme Oct 2016; did 3 weeks of Amoxi, 3 of Doxy, then 4 months of plaquenil. Igenex positive for Lyme April 2017, also Bartonella and 4 strains of mold. Currently on mepron, bactrim, ceftin, amphotericin, nystatin, azithromax, flagyl.

Brendoni
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   Posted 1/24/2018 11:01 AM (GMT -6)   
@1000Daisies could I email you to ask more questions? Since your email address isn't available on this website, you could send me an email (my email is available) and I could reply? Thanks!
Clinically diagnosed w/ Lyme Oct 2016; did 3 weeks of Amoxi, 3 of Doxy, then 4 months of plaquenil. Igenex positive for Lyme April 2017, also Bartonella and 4 strains of mold. Currently on mepron, bactrim, ceftin, amphotericin, nystatin, azithromax, flagyl.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/25/2018 9:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Brendoni said...
@1000Daisies could I email you to ask more questions? Since your email address isn't available on this website, you could send me an email (my email is available) and I could reply? Thanks!


Hi Brendoni! I only post (no emails). Sorry. sad But I'd love to help. Can you post your questions here?

The more I think about your symptoms, the more I think it sounds like what my Kid#1 went through. It was very cyclical. I understand completely about what you are saying. It literally is like having the flu every few weeks and knocking you out! It is terrible being that sick and that miserable so often. When making family plans, I'd look at the calendar and be tentative on some things because it had been a few weeks and "that's when he is due for another flu-like flare"!

I wish I had something wonderful to suggest to help you.

But in our case, my kid did not develop these symptoms until much later (last few years before he got well). In those first some years, he did not have physical flares at all like this. They didn't start until after we did IV glutathione and Myers Cocktails for him. To me, it seemed like it "woke up" his immune system.

The flares did not really decrease in severity or duration. They just stopped. Just like that. It was so odd. It's been almost a year since the last one and since he's been "well".

We haven't been doing abx for a couple years now. At the time, he was just on herbals. And probably some hbot infrequently at that point (he responded extremely well to HBOT previously).

So, to me, I just feel it was a sign his immune system was starting to work/kick-in, after years of living with this. Unfortunately, there wasn't anything great that helped with the symptoms. We tried so many different detox methods, and they didn't help much at all. Honestly, Advil was the biggest help for symptom relief during one of these flares (as much as I don't like to admit that). : | I'm definitely a fan of alternative methods, but we definitely used Advil when we needed to get through his bad days with these flares.

I don't know if others experiences similiar to us or not. I do know flu-like symptoms are common. I posted about it a year ago, and there was different theories about what coinfection it could be. To this day, I really don't know. Lyme? Babesia? Relapsing fever? Bartonella?

HTH. Please feel free to ask more questions if you want.

PS We tried monolaurin (and another anti-viral) for Kid#1. We used the supplements that we used for Kid#2 (who reacts very strongly to anti-virals). Kid#1 did NOT react at all to them (good or bad), so we didn't stay on them for him. I just don't think these flu-like herxs were viral in his case. But if you still think it may be viral related, monolaurin would be a good thing to try too.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Brendoni
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   Posted 1/28/2018 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
1000dasies thanks so much for all of this! This is definitely helpful, at least for a bit of potential clarity haha...

I figure I might list my symptoms more fully here - first to see if you think it matches your kid’s (as you’ve indicated), and second in the hopes the detail could help others on this forum in the future...

Symptoms usually follow this pattern:
1. Tossing and turning in sleep, nightmares
2. Slight faintness during day
3. Red, hot ears
4. Achy legs, flu aches not Lyme aches (the difference is extremely slight)
5. Sore throat and right ear
6. Fever, which lasts 3-5 days

It’s come 4 times now, I’ve felt the symptoms a few other times but somehow was able to avoid it turning into the aches and fever. The first time the trigger was some high sugar fruit, car travel, and jumping in a cold river. Second time less than 8 hours of sleep two nights in a row plus sugar and cold air. Third time sleep + banana. 4th time sleep + bad food that provoked my old leaky gut issues.

The 2nd time I made it worse by trying to work through it, it lasted 9 days. The 3rd I was more careful, worked a little but from bed, but it still lasted 6 days. The 4th I literally didn’t do anything but sleep and it still lasted 5. As you said the only thing that helps is Advil, though as soon as it wears off everything comes back.

A few small questions for when you have time!
- Did you pinpoint any triggers?
- How long did this last, ie how many times approximately?
- Any foods that you found helped during the flares?
- Same for exercises - during and after - I lose a lot of muscle mass and have a lot of muscle tension from laying in bed for so long.
- Maybe if you have time if you could list the detox methods you tried that didn’t work, at least that could be useful for elimination sake! I wrapped my feet in garlic and plastic wrap a few times as I thought it helped, but now I’m not so sure it did.

Thanks again!!!!!

1000Daisies
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   Posted 1/30/2018 4:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Brendoni said...
1000dasies thanks so much for all of this! This is definitely helpful, at least for a bit of potential clarity haha...

I figure I might list my symptoms more fully here - first to see if you think it matches your kid’s (as you’ve indicated), and second in the hopes the detail could help others on this forum in the future...

Symptoms usually follow this pattern:
1. Tossing and turning in sleep, nightmares
2. Slight faintness during day
3. Red, hot ears
4. Achy legs, flu aches not Lyme aches (the difference is extremely slight)
5. Sore throat and right ear
6. Fever, which lasts 3-5 days

It’s come 4 times now, I’ve felt the symptoms a few other times but somehow was able to avoid it turning into the aches and fever. The first time the trigger was some high sugar fruit, car travel, and jumping in a cold river. Second time less than 8 hours of sleep two nights in a row plus sugar and cold air. Third time sleep + banana. 4th time sleep + bad food that provoked my old leaky gut issues.

The 2nd time I made it worse by trying to work through it, it lasted 9 days. The 3rd I was more careful, worked a little but from bed, but it still lasted 6 days. The 4th I literally didn’t do anything but sleep and it still lasted 5. As you said the only thing that helps is Advil, though as soon as it wears off everything comes back.

A few small questions for when you have time!
- Did you pinpoint any triggers?
- How long did this last, ie how many times approximately?
- Any foods that you found helped during the flares?
- Same for exercises - during and after - I lose a lot of muscle mass and have a lot of muscle tension from laying in bed for so long.
- Maybe if you have time if you could list the detox methods you tried that didn’t work, at least that could be useful for elimination sake! I wrapped my feet in garlic and plastic wrap a few times as I thought it helped, but now I’m not so sure it did.

Thanks again!!!!!


The cycle pattern fits my kid's symptoms - flu like symptoms every 2-4 weeks.

- Did you pinpoint any triggers?
As for triggers, it was just cyclical in nature, so no, I don't feel there were triggers in his situation. I'd just look at the calendar and think... hmmmm, it's about time he has another flare... and sure enough, he would. So, it became rather predictable due to the cyclical pattern to it.

Although, his started after IV Glutathione/Myer's Cocktail IVs. I think this somehow "woke" up his immune system.

- How long did this last, ie how many times approximately?
For years. sad Every few weeks. I remember it stopping for awhile, but when I did another IV, it restarted again.

- Any foods that you found helped during the flares?
No, not really. sad

- Same for exercises - during and after - I lose a lot of muscle mass and have a lot of muscle tension from laying in bed for so long.
He's young, so it didn't affect him quite like that. He would be weak for sure though, but he seemed to bounce back from it.

- Maybe if you have time if you could list the detox methods you tried that didn’t work, at least that could be useful for elimination sake! I wrapped my feet in garlic and plastic wrap a few times as I thought it helped, but now I’m not so sure it did.

Oh, I don't want to be discouraging. Detoxing helps many people.
But for reasons I don't understand, we can't tell any real benefit from such.
However, lots of things we've done help otheres, so please take that into consideration!

When he'd have a flare like that, we'd do detox tubs with epsom salt, hydrogen peroxide, and usually some EOs. This had a really small effect on him.

I'm sure there is more, but here is what we've tried off the top of my head:
Cholestyramine, dry brushing, daily detox tubs previously for years, EOs, IVs, pinella/burbur, dry brushing, lemon water.
And other things like Airborne, vitamins, etc etc etc

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As for Advil, you are correct. It was simply for symptom relief to get through the day.

Sometimes, it seems like it would be coming but would be so minor. Other times, it's like having the flu -- fever, chills, headache, weak, sore throat... just really miserable for days.

I'd definitely start to track this on the calendar (if you haven't already).

Sorry have to run. Let me know if more questions!!!
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

JustPiccd
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   Posted 2/3/2018 9:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you ever tested for Brucellosis? I know it can cause cyclical symptoms that mimic flu.

You might also want to test for HHV-6, EBV, and other herpesviruses.

You could try pulsing lomatium tincture (my favorite for viral infections), also hyssop, and boneset tea which Buhner recommends for bart and babs anyway is actually a good flu remedy, esp. w/ acute symptoms.

Brendoni
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   Posted 2/8/2018 4:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Update from my doctor: she also thinks it’s NOT the flu (because I don’t have typical flu symptoms, like respiratory). Instead she is giving me some new meds to see if it might be caused by a parasite or Babesia.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 2/8/2018 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Please do keep us posted. Wishing you the very best for you in figuring this out.

Like I said before, it's really miserable symptom getting "flu-like" symptoms every few weeks!! sad
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