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Girlie
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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is the link to the original thread:



/www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3849732
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Girlie
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   Posted 1/23/2018 3:34 PM (GMT -6)   
The last post in the original bvt thread by 1000Daisies:

"bluelyme, now that you are better nowadays and you've been doing the microscope, what changes have you seen in your blood from self testing? What are you seeing in your blood nowadays? I'm really curious."
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

bluelyme
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   Posted 1/24/2018 1:35 PM (GMT -6)   
So during treatment i stopped looking at my blood for a bit because i was discouraged. .i checked with iv rocephin and iv silver and ozone and peroxide and they were still there. The bee venom makes em hide .they hate it when venom is there none are visable in the plasma . When i lyse the cells the ketes come out ...not swarms like before . So i treat 1x a week with venom 1 with rife and alinia with some houttynia tinture for maintenance. I did a stain and did see some bart intercelluarly too...so i imagine its a waiting gaime . If it take 7 yrs to replace all cells i will make it unbearable for them in my body for as long as i can take it ..maybe life ...im probably 80 of the person i was before lyme did its ravishing and i took action .remember i had als type syptoms ...i am a walking talking miracle

Girlie
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   Posted 1/24/2018 1:40 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme - do you think at this point you've cleared 'active' infection and are now in the repair/rebuild mode?


And..how did you determine what is leftover and needs healing...and no more 'killing'?


Your improvements are wonderful!!!
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

bluelyme
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   Posted 1/24/2018 1:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Even though a systemic active infection is Visable, though i not energetically testing for lyme or bart . I am rebuilding nerves slowly and going after proto and candida slowly . I still have my port and am pondering 10 pass and more pk protocol . As long as there are ketes in my blood i will be putting venom to chase em down ! I trust my eyes and microscope a bit more than kinesiology however the later got me here .

The proof is in the pudding sapi proved it works !

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   Posted 1/24/2018 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
Even though a systemic active infection is Visable, though i not energetically testing for lyme or bart . I am rebuilding nerves slowly and going after proto and candida slowly . I still have my port and am pondering 10 pass and more pk protocol . As long as there are ketes in my blood i will be putting venom to chase em down ! I trust my eyes and microscope a bit more than kinesiology however the later got me here .

The proof is in the pudding sapi proved it works !


Okay - you are still seeing spirochetes in your blood.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

bluelyme
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   Posted 1/24/2018 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie,I am not seeing them in the blood plasma ...however i am seeing them inside the rbc ...i thought i would make the distinction. Also dime to dollar anybody else in remission will still have borrelia intercellularly....

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   Posted 1/24/2018 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
Girlie,I am not seeing them in the blood plasma ...however i am seeing them inside the rbc ...i thought i would make the distinction. Also dime to dollar anybody else in remission will still have borrelia intercellularly....


Okay - distinction noted. tongue
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Mergirl
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   Posted 1/24/2018 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey bluelyme,

In the previous thread you said you might be able to help me find an apitherapist in my area. I'd be interested in that. Feel free to shoot me an email or I can send you one with my location?

Thanks.

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   Posted 1/24/2018 10:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Sent u a email ..have to check AAS site

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artermix
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   Posted 4/16/2018 6:03 AM (GMT -6)   
can you contact me bluelyme? I have few questions on BVT. Your email is unavailable. thx.
Contracted lyme in 2015.
First bite untreated. Second bite treated according to CDC guidelines and within 10 hrs from bite.
April: ELISA & WB positive (2 bands)
May & June: Oreganol, Eulueothero, Magnesium and some cats claw.
July: Amoxicillin 4000 mg a day for 30 days in July 1 ended in Aug 1.
August: begins basic Buhner protocol.
September: Basic Buhner protocol + specific herbs

bluelyme
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   Posted 4/16/2018 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
sure thing artermix ...anyone can pm me over on on lymenet if ever...

Sheeks175
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   Posted 4/16/2018 4:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I too am doing BVT and antibiotics. Only been at BVT for less than 1 month, so it is too soon to report benefits, but I can surely report that it gives you energy during the day and helps you sleep through the night.

Currently at 5 stings 3x a week.

Current abx protocol: IV zith 5 days/week, IV clindamycin 7 days/week, Ivermectin 1x/week, will start dapsone in the next week or 2.

bluelyme
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   Posted 4/30/2018 5:49 PM (GMT -6)   
gabybee congrats on your successes ,will you post your experience with bvt her please?

bump for elvin

elvin
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   Posted 5/1/2018 1:10 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks blue lyme

bluelyme
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   Posted 7/9/2018 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Bump for solaris ...go to part 1
als /ms dx muscle wasting, vasculitis, vertigo etc etc
bvt began 11/15,
smartport install 5/16
1.25 yrs pulsed roceph with zith riffy alinia
,pk and supportive ivs
9 mo zhang bart tx
9+ month dr franz rife,
various parasite protocols iver/ herbal
from bed bound on o2 to keeping up with 5yo kiddo,
2 startups, + pt certified practicing apitherapist

bluelyme
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   Posted 7/18/2018 6:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Here is sapis work again in downloadable pdf ...you can see whole bee venom is more effective that doxy ceph and dap all together on ketes ,persisters and culture ...and way less toxic to the human imo

www.mdpi.com/2079-6382/6/4/31

Bump 4 hoagie
als /ms dx muscle wasting, vasculitis, vertigo etc etc
bvt began 11/15,
smartport install 5/16
1.25 yrs pulsed roceph with zith riffy alinia
,pk and supportive ivs
9 mo zhang bart tx
9+ month dr franz rife,
various parasite protocols iver/ herbal
from bed bound on o2 to keeping up with 5yo kiddo,
2 startups, + pt certified practicing apitherapist

Girlie
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   Posted 7/18/2018 11:39 AM (GMT -6)   
bump again
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Hoagie
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   Posted 7/18/2018 5:56 PM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme, did you herx pretty strongly when you first started this...

Also, I found this protocol regarding BVT for Lyme. Wondering your take on this way.


www.lyme-beevenom.com/?page_id=243

bluelyme
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   Posted 7/18/2018 8:49 PM (GMT -6)   
amber rose is great i hope to interview her soon ...her book is great ...she has worked with elle lobel and hers is a more holistic approach less dogmatic and incorporated some Chinese health models and acupuncture points . she is amoung the pioneers like charles mraz and pat wagner and brad weeks md .

main takeaways are ...start slow , ramp up to dose steadily(start and stop a no,no) ,lots of daily buffered vit c , have epi pen and benadryl on hand , anti itch creme for first month or two and some ice packs , tweezers sets(i use reversible and super fine tip ) and boxes later will help when u do microstings etc .

regarding herxes ...they were subtle yet defined, some think that they are allergic to venom in reality is a strong local infestation and or herx is mistaken ...at first lots of energy then it made me tired as adrenals recovered then it stabilized me ...the very best herx i had was iv rocephin , 30 bees , iv silver and andrographis herb mix in 1 day ! ...i about plotzed then felt great !....

Post Edited (bluelyme) : 7/18/2018 7:55:33 PM (GMT-6)


Hoagie
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   Posted 7/19/2018 5:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks bluelyme. I am really trying to stay away from abx. So I am hoping to get results using alternative modalities. Looking to do bvt, herbs, trying to get a soft hyperbaric chamber and rife as well. Not sure how to attain those though. But for now, I'd like to do bvt and herbs.

Finished up 40 dives on HBOT a month ago. It was great. It wiped out the majority of my fatigue, anxiety, neuropathy, and back pain. Now it is all coming back. I wish I owned a chamber. Now I need something else to go after these bugs. Unfortunately, I don't feel I'm a good candidate for abx. It seems when I'm on them, my baseline gets worse.

insomniaaa
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   Posted 7/21/2018 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Yesterday I had my 4th or 5th BVT session.
I've tolerated the previous sessions quite well.
I've been getting 2 stings per session on the shoulders for some time now. Not very regularly I must admit. Last time I got 3 stings and tolerated it quite well. Only a minor herx.

OK so yesterday I got 3 stings from 3 different bee hives. Not sure how smart that was.
Anyways I supposedly tolerated all 3 stings and felt great that evening.
Went to bed quite late but slept pretty tight until 8am ( thank you bees) . Suddenly jumped out of bed with lots of pain, fatigue, weakness. Throughout the whole entire day I felt like crap, as if I'm becoming sick if that makes any sense lol. It definitely wasn't a typical herx reaction. Morning temp was normal but evening temp is slightly elevated at give or take 100° F
Which actually is the highest body temperature I've achieved in years I think ( you know the darn Lyme, bartonella & co are always suppressing my fever). I usually only reach 99.5° F ( the typical bartonella temperature AFAIK).

OK so the 2 sting sites on the shoulders look as expected. Slightly reddish without any significant swelling or pain. These 2 sting sites have been stung before unlike the forearm.
The 3rd sting site on my forearm on the other hand looks very swollen and dark red. It doesn't really hurt much, only a bit of itching. Should I be worried?
Overall I've been feeling less miserable this evening when compared to during the day. The extreme fatigue and weakness have subsided somewhat as well as the body aches. Body temperature is currently at 99.5°F .
Did I get reinfected by a mosquito or something or was the bee sick? Was the stinger infected with some kind of antibiotic resistant streptococcus strain or whatever?
Why did I feel so sick today? I felt perfectly fine yesterday and the day before. Yes unfortunately I was also bitten by a darn mosquito last night but what the hell happened to the incubation period? 12-24 hours?! Oh come on! You've got to be kidding me.
Am I out of the woods yet or will this develop into yet another nasty chronic infection?
Or was the whole episode just some sort of reactivation of my preexisting disease(s) that was triggered by the BVT?
Thanks for answers.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 7/22/2018 11:31:24 AM (GMT-6)


Hoagie
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   Posted 7/21/2018 6:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I just got finished reading a paper written by Dr Klinghardt on different tx protocols for Lyme and co.

He states that bvt in the most gentle treatment, but also the most successful.

bluelyme
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   Posted 7/23/2018 12:54 AM (GMT -6)   
when i asked the nurse in a aside at the lyme clinic, if any one ever graduated lyme school ,ever ?! he said only the ones that do bvt w/"....did you order up some test bees ? get a epi?
als /ms dx muscle wasting, vasculitis, vertigo etc etc
bvt began 11/15,
smartport install 5/16
1.25 yrs pulsed roceph with zith riffy alinia
,pk and supportive ivs
9 mo zhang bart tx
9+ month dr franz rife,
various parasite protocols iver/ herbal
from bed bound on o2 to keeping up with 5yo kiddo,
2 startups, + pt certified practicing apitherapist
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