Dry Fasting for Lyme

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Mbajda
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   Posted 1/27/2018 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a very reputable friend who has done a 9 day dry fast for Lyme - cured. And she was bad - not for the faint do heart, but the science is real. Has anyone heard likewise?

Girlie
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   Posted 1/28/2018 2:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Mbajda - welcome to our community.


Personally, I don't think dry fasting for 9 days when you have lyme is a good idea.

"The science is real" Could you elaborate on the science behind it?


We encourage our new members to read through the information in the thread: "New to Lyme?..Start Here!' It's packed full of useful information.


...and please feel free to share your story with us. It's a great group of knowledgeable and supportive people here.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Mbajda
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   Posted 1/28/2018 3:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you! Oh I’ve read as much as one can on Lyme. This is the only solution I’ve heard of with real curative possibilities.

Filonov.net pretty much describes it all.

Drastic times call for drastic measures unless you want to puddle around with a chronic illness. It’s essentially pushing your body into a state is ketosis. Inflammation needs water. From there your cells release inter cellular water, and become small incinerators for disease. Your body responds by killing off bad cells and disease first while stimulating stem cell growth. Apparently has profound impact and this person was witness to multiple MS patients walking out fine. It has changed this woman’s life and a miracle per her words - she was suffering for 5-6 years.

I’m strongly considering yet nervous given not a lot of runway prep for the clinic session.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/28/2018 10:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Going without water for 9 days is dangerous. I wouldn't recommend anyone try that.

You aren't the first person to come on this forum and make claims of 'cures'...believe me.

...and seriously - this one isn't one i would even consider...
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Traveler
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   Posted 1/28/2018 12:55 PM (GMT -6)   
This would be incredibly dangerous - and remember, we are not healthy to begin with. The goal is to heal, not put our lives at further risk.

/www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-long-can-the-average/
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Mbajda
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   Posted 1/28/2018 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
It’s a natural mammalian instinct - we’ve only been confused by commercialism and over access to food. 3 meals a day is not something man of thousands of years old did. The bacteria is an old one - and I doubt men of thousands of years ago had the Lyme issues we have today and they lived in the wildnerness.

Only a messenger here as well. It had profound results - and she went in very ill. Went in positive and came out with a clean. And was witness to some very amazing results. The body has natural ways of healing if you let it. There is plenty of fuel stored in the body to help it survive and natural ways of doing so when pushed to its limits. The science on Filonov’s site is super interesting.

I guess it becomes - live with an awful disease or get it to manageable levels or push your will to a concept that has real results.

Girlie
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   Posted 1/28/2018 7:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Mbajda - many people do get into remission with 'safer' protocols.

Herbals and/or antibiotics Plus supportive modalities (Rife, HBOT, etc.etc.) are working for many.

It's one thing to fast - and not eat...but not drinking water for 9 days is dangerous.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Lightlife
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   Posted 1/28/2018 9:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I finished a 27 day juice/ lemon water fast three months ago and am on day four of another now.havent read the info but am sceptical something that can survive freezing temps and adverse conditions of all kinds is not goi g to be able to survive. The idea of no water or anything is unappealing. Doing well w herbs currently.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 1/28/2018 9:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Lightlife said...
I finished a 27 day juice/ lemon water fast three months ago and am on day four of another now.havent read the info but am sceptical something that can survive freezing temps and adverse conditions of all kinds is not goi g to be able to survive. The idea of no water or anything is unappealing. Doing well w herbs currently.


how did you feel after your 27 day fast?

Eiren
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   Posted 1/29/2018 8:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree that 3 meals a day is a modern phenomenon. 6 small meals a day is a whack idea. The idea that our ancient ancestors "grazed" all day is probably even more whack.

I also agree that fasting can be very healthy. 5:2, alternate day, fat fasts, 16:8, or whatever. It has been proven to increase longevity and increase overall health. When the body runs out of external "fuel" it uses internal "fuel" which includes damaged cells, backed up fat stores, and whatever else the body finds non-essential and can scavenge. The longer you go, the more deeply the body will scavenge, and for some people (those with a lot of excess fat and/or sugar in particular) that is a good thing.

But is it good when you're already unhealthy and have a depressed immune system? That's the question, isn't it?

There's the discussion of whether or not to "starve" the bacteria of minerals or if you should supplement. I think fasting is one way the answer can be "Both."

But dry fasting is a different beast. That website is all in Russian, but using google translate I think the guy runs a health center? If you are under constant supervision I suppose, but even so... But dry fasting short periods isn't that strange. Lots of people dry fast for around 16 hrs. Muslims during Ramadan (technically aren't allowed to swallow their own saliva) and strict Orthodox Christian before Communion. You don't see lots of people falling over dead every Ramadan or Sunday morning. So I would say it is generally safe up to 24 hrs. But everyone is different. You need to really listen to your body. And preferably not live alone.

I do a bullet-proof coffee "fat fast" nearly every morning. When I finally eat can vary. Just depends on what I'm doing and how I feel. So I'm something like a 16:8 most days. But there's days I eat more, other days less. And you have to pay attention to re-feeding as much as the not-feeding. With fat fasts I still get plenty of calories, but you sometimes need to eat, too. Plus, I really don't have much to spare. But I have found that this solves my bloating/gas/constipation issue.

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   Posted 1/29/2018 2:56 PM (GMT -6)   
A couple of things I would like to make very clear - this could be a touchy subject, so let's all be careful to keep out heads cool. And, of course, this would NOT be for everyone that has Lyme. Those points are things we should all be able to agree on.

As far as fasting, I would also like to say that if a person has adrenal issues - all bets are off on fasting. Adrenals need a fairly constant source of nutrients. I'm sure there are other specific times where fasting would not be safe as well.

Barring those things, fasting can be very healthy - but we have to remember we DO have those things going on either obviously or 'subacutely' in our bodies because of the types of infections that brought us all here.

Withholding nutrients to try to 'starve' the bacteria has already been tried. When I first started out here on healingwell, that was the standard way of doing things. Oh - Lyme uses manganese instead of iron? Don't take manganese! Until it was discovered that what was already known about the need for manganese in the body was shown to be true - Lyme patients started having issues because they needed that manganese even more so:

"Manganese helps the body form connective tissue, bones, blood clotting factors, and sex hormones. It also plays a role in fat and carbohydrate metabolism, calcium absorption, and blood sugar regulation."
/www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/manganese

So, by taking away what the bacteria needs to survive only means that we are denying the body even more of that nutrient, which only leaves the body even more out of balance, and unable to deal with not only Lyme, but other things as well.

So, we know that denying the body the nutrients that the bacteria needs to survive doesn't help us out, so it's best to do what we can to help the body function at it's highest levels - because what we do know is that most healthy bodies do not go on to develop the infections after being bitten by a tick, mosquito, spider or whatever else carries these bacteria. Their bodies can fight it off with either little or no intervention. My own husband healed from Lyme with only the standard 4 weeks of Doxy (400 mgs daily) because it was caught early enough, and he was healthy enough.

As someone having significant digestive issues, I deal with gas, bloating, constipation and nausea a lot, and what has helped me the most is using cistus incanus. It's broadly antibacterial, broadly antiviral, and antifungal, as well as having biofilm busting abilities. So there's no way to tell exactly what about using Cistus has helped the most, but there's no doubt that it's made major differences in how I feel.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
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Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
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Lightlife
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   Posted 1/29/2018 11:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Lapis_29... I felt really good after. I felt lighter and more in tune with my body and more active. less bulky. I was carting too much weight for my frame I feel.

No problems resuming my normal eating approach. I felt great on the fast except for a couple hours of fatigue and headaches every once in a while I had no probs.

I kept taking my Lyme herbs and all was uneventful on the Lyme front. No symptoms resurfaced anywhere during or after. Was relatively symptom free before.

After a viral respiratory thing a month later however. symptoms flared for a couple days.
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