Any ideas how to increase white blood cell count?

New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
[ << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> ]

Evanston1
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts : 410
   Posted 1/29/2018 6:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone had success with any particular herb or supplement that could be helpful to increase white cell count? Mine is really low. Thx.

magoo2
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2015
Total Posts : 1246
   Posted 1/29/2018 7:38 AM (GMT -6)   
A mini tramp will increase the white count

Girlie
Forum Moderator


Date Joined May 2014
Total Posts : 32685
   Posted 1/29/2018 9:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Evanston - how low?


A couple years ago, mine was low, too. I can't remember the exact number - but I think it was low 2's.

My regular GP said not to worry unless it gets close to 1.

It just came back up on it's own.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

k07
Veteran Member


Date Joined Sep 2015
Total Posts : 2502
   Posted 1/29/2018 10:01 AM (GMT -6)   
How funny, I was just looking at the same thing because mine and my daughter's is on the low side. Actually, when I calculated her ANC (which is how those with cancer gauge the immune system), she was 600 when it should be closer to 1,000.

I'm going to supplement us both with trace minerals that contain zinc along with some green tea to see if it helps. We both already eat good and she exercises regularly.

Evanston1
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts : 410
   Posted 1/29/2018 12:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Now it’s 3.2. It was 2.8 not that long ago. The range according to the lab I got test done is 4.0-10.0.

It was already below 4 before I went to St George for hyperthermia so I doubt it’s from that treatment. But i was supposed to start ivig Friday and the neurologist said I can’t grt it until all my values are in the normal range..... as of that’s an easy thing to do with all this “stuff” going on.

ChickNorris
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jan 2012
Total Posts : 622
   Posted 1/29/2018 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I keep having this problem. Although yours looks great to my eye! Shark liver oil will bring it up though. I take the Oceana brand, two caps twice a day
Igenex 9/2016 31-I, 39-I, 41-++, 58-+ Igenex 2/2017 31-I, 41-++, 58-+, 66-+
CD57: 28
EBV, CMV, HHV-6, Mycoplasma Pneumoniae, Bartonella, Babesia
Hashimoto's, endometriosis, alopecia areata, migraines


Previous meds: samento, banderol, doxy, rifampin, alinia, blue sage, silphitrin, BLt, crypto-plus, A-EB/H6, A-CMV
Current meds: azithromycin, plaquenil, mepron, septra, IM rocephin, IV glutathione

Girlie
Forum Moderator


Date Joined May 2014
Total Posts : 32685
   Posted 1/29/2018 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Mine is usually high 3’s. I’m not concerned with those numbers.
My LLND said it may not go into range until I’m in remission and off treatment.

Hopefully yours will come up soon, Evanston.
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Traveler
Forum Moderator


Date Joined May 2007
Total Posts : 36310
   Posted 1/29/2018 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I believe, from what I've read and what I've learned in school, that raising the WBC would be done with immunomodulating herbs - so if you believe you are in a good position to try them out, it might be for you. Just remember that they can bring on unwanted issues as well for some, including a relapse for some (not trying to scare you, but want to be sure you understand). Herbs like echinacea and astragalus are ones that are often mentioned - but do be very careful.

I hope that your healing from the clinic holds and you get this addressed soon!!!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

Evanston1
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts : 410
   Posted 1/29/2018 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you!! I added both echinacea and astragalus yesterday. I also started taking Myco Immune by Thorne. I get my blood checked again Friday so we will see.

k07
Veteran Member


Date Joined Sep 2015
Total Posts : 2502
   Posted 1/29/2018 5:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Please let us know if those work.

Traveler
Forum Moderator


Date Joined May 2007
Total Posts : 36310
   Posted 1/30/2018 11:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Evanston1 said...
Thank you!! I added both echinacea and astragalus yesterday. I also started taking Myco Immune by Thorne. I get my blood checked again Friday so we will see.


I too would love to know how these work for you! I recently changed up what I was doing, and I'm now concentrating on helping my body do nearly all the work on getting these infections into remission. So, I'm using a mushroom mix similar to what you are using (LOVE those mushrooms!!), and use astragalus and a few other things. So far so good for me! I'm also tackling some of my more stubborn issues, like gut function (using Cistus), and keeping my liver and kidneys function at top speeds (lol). I'm honestly feeling like I'm making some good progress now - but at first I felt like poo!
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/

Notime4lyme
Regular Member


Date Joined Dec 2017
Total Posts : 276
   Posted 2/1/2018 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
How about boneset? I think it is supposed to raise white blood cell count. It definitely helps me to feel better.

Hoagie
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2017
Total Posts : 619
   Posted 2/1/2018 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Evanston...

You are probably taking most, if not all these already. But, I found this on a search...

/naturalon.com/top-10-natural-ways-increase-white-blood-cell-count-immune-system/10/

Sheeks175
Regular Member


Date Joined May 2016
Total Posts : 258
   Posted 2/1/2018 7:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Evanston - I have directly seen this work for me in my WBC lab results and my old LLND recommended it. It definitely works:

Alternating hot and cold shower therapy. Google hot and cold hydrotherapy for more info.

Here is how I did it:

-Hot as you can handle for a couple minutes.
-Switch to as cold as you can handle and alternate hot and cold cycles of 30 seconds to 1 minute in length 4-7 times.
-Always finish on cold.

Do this a few times a week and it should work after a couple of weeks. Hope it helps!

Rikky1
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jun 2015
Total Posts : 2860
   Posted 2/1/2018 7:44 PM (GMT -6)   
one needs to be very careful with stuff that's primary function is immunomodulation. you can get yourself in trouble by screwing around with this so go low and slow.

Rikky1
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jun 2015
Total Posts : 2860
   Posted 2/1/2018 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
evanston how are you feeling after your visit to germany? what stuff do they have you on post-treatment? how's the little one?

Evanston1
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts : 410
   Posted 2/2/2018 4:37 AM (GMT -6)   
My daughter is doing AMAZING post germany!! Like amazing, amazing! Playing basketball again, eating, reading books.... totally back to the kid she once was. I’m sssooo grateful and I pray thisnsticks!! NOTHING has worked for her in 1.5 years of treatment except this. So I’m so incredibly happy she is doing SSOO well!!

I, on the other hand, am not doing as well. I got my labs back yesterday and now my white count is even lower.... 2.3! I’m trying not to panic. I’ve been in contact with the doctors in Germany and they said it could be from the hyperthermia “waking up” Epstein Barr. So I’m going to do high dose vitamin c IV and see if that helps. The doctor said they’ve seen this before and it can take a couple of months before the dust settles in my body after the hyperthermia. I’m still functional.... thank goodness. But my low white count is really freaking me out.

Rikky1
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jun 2015
Total Posts : 2860
   Posted 2/2/2018 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks for the update evanston so happy about your daughter i do hope she holds the gains and i know you'll be super diligent in ensuring she does everything possible to maintain.

seems anecdotally kids seem to respond better than adults. maybe because they don't have the duration of infection some of us have and can clean up the bugs quicker.

the low WBC and any other anomalies from pre-treatment are obviously related to the treatment itself. considering what you did to yourself i would think it'll take some time for things to level out.

best you can do is eat clean, get sufficient sleep and maybe take a couple of supporting supplements to help your body out.

Evanston1
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts : 410
   Posted 2/2/2018 6:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I went to see a hematologist today because of my low white counts. His hunch is that the white counts are low due to a combination of having been on rifampin and infection. He suspects they will come back up in time. I also spoke with one of the doctors from Germany and he said low white counts sometimes can happen after treatment but they will climb back up within a couple of months.

The doctor today did a peripheral blood smear and he said that the cells looks good. He doesn’t think the issue is with my bone marrow.... which is always the concerns when cell counts are off.

I’ll try not to worry about it too much. But I stopped all herbs and supplements for now and will stay off for a week to see if that helps. Thanks everyone!

Girlie
Forum Moderator


Date Joined May 2014
Total Posts : 32685
   Posted 2/2/2018 7:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Evanston - My WBC were quite low for several months...and they came back up on their own. Now they're high 3's and sometimes even up to low 4's.

I'm sure yours' will too!
Moderator, Lyme Forum
Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Evanston1
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2017
Total Posts : 410
   Posted 2/2/2018 7:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Girlie. My white count was 2.3 and my neutrophils were at .9. Thats really quite low so I was totally freaking out. Especially because I have three kids were are always bringing home nasty germs from school.

But I am sending all my positive energy into my bone marrow to produce more white blood cells smile

Rikky1
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jun 2015
Total Posts : 2860
   Posted 2/2/2018 8:44 PM (GMT -6)   
i was on rifampin and rifabutin for many many months and my WBC was steady. its possible this drug could've affected you differently but i'd put my chips on the treatments you got. i mean who doesn't walk away from having your body at 107.5 for several hours unscathed? ;o)

Georgia Hunter
Veteran Member


Date Joined May 2012
Total Posts : 2116
   Posted 2/3/2018 3:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Increasing methylation will increase WBC production. I see it as one of several scenarios. The virus activation mentioned above is very plausible and will lower WBC count. Another possibility is the down regulation of immune response due to an unfavorable combination of pathogens. Babesia is a common culprit but anytime there is too much oxidative stress for an extended period of time, down regulation can occur.

Like Trav said, increasing immune response is like poking a hornet's nest. If the pathogens are still there, increasing WBC's will only increase oxidative stress and cause more issues. In the second scenario above, the WBC reduction is to help the body.
New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
Forum Information
Currently it is Monday, June 25, 2018 4:25 AM (GMT -6)
There are a total of 2,974,912 posts in 326,222 threads.
View Active Threads


Who's Online
This forum has 161315 registered members. Please welcome our newest member, Noluck.
295 Guest(s), 2 Registered Member(s) are currently online.  Details
WorriedUCer, Patrick M