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nonames
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   Posted 1/29/2018 4:37 PM (GMT -6)   
What is in your experience best cytokine remodulator herb for air hunger?

There is not much options as far as I know Buhner recommends only two Salvia miltiorrhiza and Scutellaria baicalensis? And I read about Scutellaria baicalensis that it may have some side effects.

I'm reading this forum every day and I really learned so much and now I'm trying to create my own herb combination.

Recently I've been experimenting with Artemisia/Enula and Artemisia/Oregano (with Cordyceps and Milk thistle) combinations and I had terrifying air hunger reaction, brain fog, feeling of shaking inside and dizziness. Enula was especially hard for my head. Few times in last two months I had to stop all herbs for couple of days because of reaction that I suppose is a herx. When I stop it calms down. And I'm taking really small doses and can't increase them. So I guess I need something for inflammation.

What do you recommend for cytokine and inflammation especially for air hunger herx?

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   Posted 1/29/2018 5:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I cant say what the best for air hunger are, but besides Buhners recommendation of Scutellaria Balicalensis and Salvia miitiorrhiza he mentions on P 212 in the 2nd edition of healing Lyme others that will help.

He says that cordyceps and Polygonum cuspidatum show up frequently in the list.


I really would recommend looking at the book on P 212, as he lists different herbals for different Inhibitors.

For example:IL-8 Inhibitors: Cordyceps,EGCG,Isatis spp, NAC, Polygonum cuspidatum,and panica granatum

He lists herbals for over 14 different inhibitors to do with stopping the cytokine cascade.
Take care, Jo

nonames
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   Posted 1/29/2018 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks goshawk, didn't know that all that herbs can affect cytokines.

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   Posted 1/29/2018 6:03 PM (GMT -6)   
if you are trying to treat Babesia, he suggests cryptolepis, Bidens pilosa, Sida acuta, milk thistle, Salvia miltiorrhiza in his co infection book.


Im not an medical expert so make sure to check for side effects, contradictions and check with your llmd or GP, NP. before using any herbal.


Always go slow with herbals and low dose to see if you tolerate it or have allergy to it. One drop at first and if ok the for a few days then start building up.


Also its very important to detox, it helps our bodies get rid of toxins.

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   Posted 1/29/2018 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you have Buhner's Babesia book? Even if you choose to not use his suggest herbs, he makes it easy to understand what kinds of herbs may be needed.

For example, he states that Sida acuta is specific for protecting red blood cells (which Babesia destroys, and they carry the oxygen we need) and is also "strong, very systemic, broad-spectrum antibacterial for babesial parasites."
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nonames
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   Posted 1/29/2018 6:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Traveler, no I don't have book. I know that some other protocols recommend Enula and Artemisia. I'm trying to combine herbs depending of availability in my country. I was planning to try ordering Sida acuta as well later but I thought to try first with these two. Obviously I can't tolerate much of any herb.

Is there any other herb that can protect rbc?

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   Posted 1/29/2018 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not far enough along in my studies to be able to go any further (sorry!!!), but I did find this article, which has some things that you should be able to find in your area, and may help:

/www.livestrong.com/article/367750-foods-to-avoid-with-anemia/

(I'm not sure why it says 'foods to avoid' - that's not what's on this page.)
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claude783
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   Posted 1/29/2018 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if this is in the book your working with, but MYRRH is cytokine inhibitor. Don't know the dosage, etc.

I always keep a little on hand in the event we have another pandemic like the 1918 outbreak.

Seems that most of the people died not from the flu, but from the cytokine storm. So researched and found out about myrrh. Figure I would mix a little of the resin with alcohol (vodka) if I were to come down with something that killed vka cytokine storm.

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   Posted 1/30/2018 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
claude783 said...
I don't know if this is in the book your working with, but MYRRH is cytokine inhibitor. Don't know the dosage, etc.

I always keep a little on hand in the event we have another pandemic like the 1918 outbreak.

Seems that most of the people died not from the flu, but from the cytokine storm. So researched and found out about myrrh. Figure I would mix a little of the resin with alcohol (vodka) if I were to come down with something that killed vka cytokine storm.


Claude, I would encourage you to go ahead and make a tincture with it now - tinctures can last 10 - 15 years if stored properly!

I've been using a 4 thieves tincture that I made, as these herbs were first used around the time of the plague, and they do have specific actions that indeed back up the claim that it was protective of those grave robbers so they didn't get the plague. I believe it's what has saved me from not only this horrid flu this year, but possibly other illnesses I would have gotten otherwise.
Herb only treatment for Lyme & Bart ended 12/11 - no active symptoms for 2 yrs -Herb only treatment for Babesia ended 12/12
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=2977364
Had Lyme, Bart, Babs, RMSF, Ehrlichia, Myco, Anaplasmosis, EBV
New set of infections 8/2014 - still treating.
Come visit me: dogwoodtraditionals.freeforums.net/
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