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10LymeB
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   Posted 2/1/2018 4:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Alright, I've had a hard time quitting. I've been trying to for the last year. BUT THEN, my LLMD said to quit when I got my anxiety under control. Quitting was giving me some scary anxiety. I've been terrified to try again.

I've just finished my two weeks at Infusio and I had wanted to quit before I went, but life got stressful and we had a house full of people and I kept putting it off. I also cannot quit with people in the house - I'll go off the rails. While I was at Infusio, I didn't smoke much - about 8-10 a day. I've also cut down since then.

Now, however, I have an interesting problem. On the one hand, I need to quit so I don't harm the stem cells. On the other, they want me to keep my stress down. They say stress is the worst thing for stem cells. Funny, no one mentioned smoking - I guess it's just assumed you shouldn't. In fact, no one lectured me about it at all at Infusio. I thought I'd get an ear full.

If I quit, I'll be stressed out. I'm a worse case scenario quitter - rage, tears, a ball of depression - this is why I've been putting it off. I have a hard time admitting that I'm really scared.

I honestly don't know what to do. Quit and be stressed or not quit and mess up the stem cells? Words of wisdom please?

Girlie
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   Posted 2/1/2018 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
How about gradually reducing...

If you're currently (for example) smoking 6 per day.

Then tomorrow do 5....and then a few days later do 4....etc. maybe you can get down to one or two per day?
Or, do you think that would cause anxiety.
Find the balance - how low vs anxiety inducing.


At least you will be smoking less..
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Lapis_29
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:01 PM (GMT -6)   
switch to vaping.

the vape liquid only has nicotine in it, none of the other highly carcinogenic substances that the whole tobacco plant has, WAY better for you.

also you can get the vape juice with varying amounts of nic in it, so you can gradually taper down over time, very gently.

Girlie
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis_29 said...
switch to vaping.

the vape liquid only has nicotine in it, none of the other highly carcinogenic substances that the whole tobacco plant has, WAY better for you.

also you can get the vape juice with varying amounts of nic in it, so you can gradually taper down over time, very gently.


good idea, Lapis.


...unless the nicotine is also an issue - not just the smoke.


And aren't they now finding out that the Vaping does more damage than originally thought?
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 2/1/2018 3:05:11 PM (GMT-7)


The Dude Abides
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:27 PM (GMT -6)   
After losing my Dad to Lung Cancer when I was 14, I went-on to start smoking in the military. Whereas my Dad was a three-pack-a-day guy, I was smoking "only" a pack a day. But, eventually, I realized that smoking is smoking and there's no safe amount. So, I made several unsuccessful attempts to quit.

What finally helped me, as funny as it may sound, was "Larry Hagman's Stop Smoking for Life" video. I rented it on VHS from a now-defunct video store in Dallas, TX around 1992. After watching it, I never smoked again.

Now, as you know, it wasn't easy. But, when I got clear on (1) why I needed to quit, and (2) what could happen to me if I didn't, I was able to ride-out the two or three weeks of the physical withdrawals. After that, it was all mental. I had to stop thinking about smoking. Eventually, it happened, without my really noticing.

I also quit drinking at the same time and have not had any alcohol since then, either. I wasn't a heavy drinker, but I tended to smoke when I drank, so I figured that removing the booze would only reduce my chances of smoking. For me, it worked.

Over the years, I've tried to encourage others to stop smoking, by mentioning the many terrible health effects that smoking can cause, trying to get them to think about their kids, reminding them of the high cost, the foul smell, etc. But, it does no good, because people did the same thing to me. It just made me dig-in and be more resistant to quitting.

If you really want to quit, you will. I know you CAN. You just have to decide if the reasons for quitting are more important than the reasons for not quitting. To me, it's that simple. The physical withdrawal will be uncomfortable, no doubt, but it will pass. The hardest thing, in my opinion, is making the decision to quit.

Whatever your decision, I'm here to support you.

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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Lapis_29 said...
switch to vaping.

the vape liquid only has nicotine in it, none of the other highly carcinogenic substances that the whole tobacco plant has, WAY better for you.

also you can get the vape juice with varying amounts of nic in it, so you can gradually taper down over time, very gently.


good idea, Lapis.


...unless the nicotine is also an issue - not just the smoke.


And aren't they now finding out that the Vaping does more damage than originally thought?


Yep, when it's compared to not using any tobacco products - but compared to smoking cigarettes, it's a lot healthier. My hubby vapes because he could not quit tobacco after his blood clots to his lungs, so I got him to switch to vaping. The only issue is the nicotine, as it does have negative health consequences, but nothing like smoking "real" cigarettes.

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The Dude Abides
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:40 PM (GMT -6)   
What Happens When You Stop Smoking?
/youtu.be/o3I0mJ2RfU0

Smoking vs Vaping
/youtu.be/haqi4xvjvKo

dacarte3
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I switch to vaping after I got lyme. I couldn't justify smoking while lyme was kicking my butt and then get frustrated my health was declining. Can't really sit there and complain as you are inhaling poison into your body.

Nicotine as a stand alone compound isn't "bad". It's no worse than caffeine. As a standalone compound it also has mild nootropic affect. It's a stimulate in that way like caffeine.

Now will you still be addicted to nicotine if you switch to vape? Yes. So for those that simply don't want to be addicted or "dependent" on a compound like nicotine out of principle then vaping isn't a guarantee it will happen.

However it does increase the odds greatly.

I went from smoking to 100% not smoking in like 2 weeks. Then I went from a high vaping nicotine content of 24 miligrams to 6 miligrams in like 3 months.

Many people keeping going until they reach zero milligrams. That's the end goal.

If you decide to go this route then do it correctly. Many people don't and then claim "vaping didn't work for me". I call a little bit of BS on that. You have to know what you are doing.

1. get a good vape mod. Don't be cheap and buy a $30 one. Buy one over $100. They are more powerful. And you need that power to replace cigarettes. If it's too weak, it won't satisfy your cravings. You need that heat and lung hit to trick your brain.

2. Start with a high nicotine content. This is a little difficult to do these days as most shops don't even carry them. This is unfortunate as people first getting off cigarettes need the higher amount if they want to be successful. Don't start with a milligram less than 12. I would even recommend 18-24MG even if it's for a week just to get started. You may need to go online to get this level of nicotine content. What you don't want to do is start too low and then it doesn't satisfy your craving and then you decide vaping isn't "working" for you

3. Start with a bold flavor such as cinnamon, mint, or coffee. You will need this more bold and rich flavor to help satisfy your craving. I don't recommend starting off with fruity flavors or creamy flavors as this is too far away from the flavor profile of a cigarette.

Good luck.
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Psilociraptor
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Have a family member prepare a salvia divinorum cigarette and randomly insert it in your pack so you don't know which one it is. Problem solved :D

But in all reality maybe an alternative smoke would not be a bad idea? You can make other smoking blends from various herbs like mullein. I'm not really in the know as I don't smoke much. But perhaps it can be a sort of weening off type deal. Maybe make a low tobacco blend with some other herbs so you get the psychological satisfaction of smoking and also stave off the nicotine cravings. Then slowly decrease the amount of tobacco in the blend as you feel capable.

Shot in the dark... I don't know. Quitting addictions is very hard. I remember just going cold turkey on processed sugar. I almost had a meltdown in the grocery store...

dacarte3
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   Posted 2/1/2018 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Lapis_29 said...
switch to vaping.

the vape liquid only has nicotine in it, none of the other highly carcinogenic substances that the whole tobacco plant has, WAY better for you.

also you can get the vape juice with varying amounts of nic in it, so you can gradually taper down over time, very gently.


good idea, Lapis.


...unless the nicotine is also an issue - not just the smoke.


And aren't they now finding out that the Vaping does more damage than originally thought?


Research is incomplete. There isn't enough years of data to make any concrete conclusion.

Only educated guesses at this point.

Educated guess that favors that it is not harmful is:

Vape is nicotine, water, and vegetable glycerin. Vegetable glycerin is "edible" and found in foods. Water is water, and nicotine as a stand alone compound isn't "bad".

Therefore not harmful.

Educated guess that doesn't favor that it is not harmful is:

All the above is true, however vegetable glycerin may be edible but that's not the same as heating it up to really high temperature and inhaling it. This "could" have harmful affects in the long term.

But everyone agrees it is leaps and bounds better than cigs because there's no tar or carcinogens.

And then there's the personal observational test. Cigs made me feel bad in a variety of ways. Vape does not at all. In one month, it was like a brand new air filter was installed in my lungs.

Whatever the science may tell in the future, something right is happening.
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   Posted 2/1/2018 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
You can try and try all kinds of ways. I know from experience. I did the gum. I got TMJ because I chewed so frantically. I did acupuncture and failed. I did hypnosis and failed. I tried the patch and failed.

How I quit was I got tired of "trying to quit." I realized if I quit, I would no longer be "trying to quit."

I did not want a doctor saying, "you have to quit smoking." So I quit before the doctor could say this.

I quit about 22 years ago. I did not want my nieces, nephews or grandchildren to see me smoking. I did not want them to think it was okay in any way.

So my last resort was the patch again. I did the 27 for 2 weeks, then the 14 for 2 weeks and then the 7 for 2 weeks. But this time I cut those 7's in half and for 2 weeks did 3 1/2 for 2 weeks. Then I made it. I also made scripture cards and put them in my pocketbook so I reached for scripture instead of a cigarette.

I avoided all triggers. I had many. I would "reward" myself with a cigarette when I finished doing the dishes, folding the laundry, working on this project, etc.

I did not drink alcohol. That was another trigger.

I made sure I had busy hands when talking to my girlfriends and family on the phone.

Learn and recognize your triggers.

The physical addiction will take 3 weeks and you will lose that. I think for a year I still would dream I was a smoker. The mental is difficult.

Oh and any excuse was good enough to start smoking again. The sun was in my eyes, I was lonely, I had a hard time at work. Any excuse!

I was an addict.

Now, I am a horribly reformed smoker and if someone is a smoker and stands in the grocery line next to me, I will leave. The smell is so horribly offensive to me.

I am embarrassed that I stunk that badly.

dacarte3
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   Posted 2/1/2018 6:21 PM (GMT -6)   
PeteZa said...
You can try and try all kinds of ways. I know from experience. I did the gum. I got TMJ because I chewed so frantically. I did acupuncture and failed. I did hypnosis and failed. I tried the patch and failed.

How I quit was I got tired of "trying to quit." I realized if I quit, I would no longer be "trying to quit."

I did not want a doctor saying, "you have to quit smoking." So I quit before the doctor could say this.

I quit about 22 years ago. I did not want my nieces, nephews or grandchildren to see me smoking. I did not want them to think it was okay in any way.

So my last resort was the patch again. I did the 27 for 2 weeks, then the 14 for 2 weeks and then the 7 for 2 weeks. But this time I cut those 7's in half and for 2 weeks did 3 1/2 for 2 weeks. Then I made it. I also made scripture cards and put them in my pocketbook so I reached for scripture instead of a cigarette.

I avoided all triggers. I had many. I would "reward" myself with a cigarette when I finished doing the dishes, folding the laundry, working on this project, etc.

I did not drink alcohol. That was another trigger.

I made sure I had busy hands when talking to my girlfriends and family on the phone.

Learn and recognize your triggers.

The physical addiction will take 3 weeks and you will lose that. I think for a year I still would dream I was a smoker. The mental is difficult.

Oh and any excuse was good enough to start smoking again. The sun was in my eyes, I was lonely, I had a hard time at work. Any excuse!

I was an addict.

Now, I am a horribly reformed smoker and if someone is a smoker and stands in the grocery line next to me, I will leave. The smell is so horribly offensive to me.

I am embarrassed that I stunk that badly.


haha yes. cigs smell bad to me now and I no longer like the taste. Because my brain has been retrained to think the vape is where the nicotine comes from and not the cig.

It's so very mental.
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   Posted 2/1/2018 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Please dont do salvia ....talk about bad trip ...the more bart i killed the less anxiety. ...for me itwas oral fixation a licorice stik habit replaced the fix ....

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   Posted 2/2/2018 7:50 AM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
Please dont do salvia ....talk about bad trip ...the more bart i killed the less anxiety. ...for me itwas oral fixation a licorice stik habit replaced the fix ....


lol that was a total joke. sorry if that wasn't clear. i was saying merely knowing it would be in there would be enough for me to not want to touch that pack of cigs

Mark FW
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   Posted 2/2/2018 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Nicotine free for 2 years now after 40 years.

Quit smoking and went to Gum in 2001

Gum works, it just replaces a cigarette 1-1. Buy 4 mg and cut in half.

Here's the issue with Gum or vaping. It's so convenient you will gradually increase your nicotine level as time goes on. I stayed on Gum for 15 years,, too long.

Once you make this transition, note it will take awhile but eventually you'll like the Gum over actual smoking, you go the the Patch,,,, no way your going to ween yourself in 6 weeks on the patch..

Also Mistake I made was I was at 40 mg a day with Gum and went to highest patch at 21 mg

A 50% drop in nicotine hurts,, bad. If you need to use a 1 1/2 .. only drop by 25% at a time. You can cut and use partials. Last few weeks I cut the lowest patch in quarters.

If you want to quit ,, this is tolerable.

I went 6 months on patch gradually reducing every 2-3 weeks. Hoveever sometimes I would stay at a level until I thought I was ready.


Good Luck

insomniaaa
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   Posted 2/3/2018 5:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Psilociraptor said...
bluelyme said...
Please dont do salvia ....talk about bad trip ...the more bart i killed the less anxiety. ...for me itwas oral fixation a licorice stik habit replaced the fix ....


lol that was a total joke. sorry if that wasn't clear. i was saying merely knowing it would be in there would be enough for me to not want to touch that pack of cigs



Would a salvia divinorum tincture have any antibacterial/antiviral properties?
And would a few drops of said tincture still give you a bad trip and cause a massive herx?
I need something that will eradicate the critters from the brain without causing too much of a herx...
Thanks for the info.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 2/3/2018 3:18:22 PM (GMT-7)

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