Treatment Herx and Acne

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NorCal
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   Posted 2/7/2018 1:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Peoples,

I started Lyme / Bart treatment about 2 years ago. I began the treatment with supplements and Paleo Diet, worked up to Buhner herb protocol, then finally to Doxy/Plaquenil/Rifampin/Tindamax (pulsing on weekends) abx which is where I am at presently. So far nothing has really moved the needle for the muscular skeletal pain and fatigue I experience daily. In fact, Pain symptoms have progressed significantly, which I certainly was not expecting.

Is the increased pain a herx reaction? I was under the impression a herx is a distinct spike in symptoms returning to a higher baseline of health after the herx. I have just experienced a gradual worsening of symptoms since I started 2 years ago without noticing a discernible pattern of symptoms as it relates to herbs or abx. Not sure what my next treatment approach will be...new abx protocol?

Also, I had a clear facial complexion until I started treatment. Once I began the Lb Tonic I began noticing small acne on my forehead, not bad but noticable. Now that I'm on abx my acne has gotten much worse. At first I was hopeful that it was a detox reaction of a bacteria die-off, now I am just wondering if it is the result of the abx just messing with my good bacteria balance. Anyone else deal with acne as a part of the treatment?

Post Edited (Jon11) : 2/7/2018 12:05:02 AM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 2/7/2018 2:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry t hear that you haven't gotten improvement with your pain and fatigue.

I'm thinking maybe you should try something else...looks like you have a lyme and Bartonella focussed treatment.
Have you considered treating Babesia? Untreated Babesia could be holding you back from making progress.
Dr. J treats all his patients for Babesia...and Dr. H. talks about looking into babesia for treatment resistant patients.


I'm not sure about the acne...I haven't experienced that.

I'm wondering if you need to up your detox in general.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/7/2018 3:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I too have had lots of acne since starting treatment. Bartonella is usually the culprit of skin issues.. rashes, acne, etc.

Like Girlie said though, babesia should always be treated unless you have absolutly no signs. Night sweats, heart issues, off balance, etc. Many symptoms overlap with lyme and all co-infections so I think it is important that we target the big three: Lyme, Babesia and Bartonella.

Dr. J or Dr. H (cant remember which) treat babesia before anything else. It's probably the most serious co-infection as it invades the red blood cells and can cause debilitating fatigue and many other issues.
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

Girlie
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   Posted 2/7/2018 5:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I believe Dr J treats everyone for Babs
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 2/7/2018 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
We detox through the skin. Others have posted about this happening too - well into adulthood. Its not permanent.

NorCal
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   Posted 2/7/2018 10:22 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for your thoughts.

A couple of things, I'm a bit confused on the detoxing. I have been under the impression I should detox as a reaction to a herx? I have not experienced a noticeable herx, so I haven't been detoxing, is this the wrong way to think about detoxing?

In regards to Babesia, about 5 years ago I was having chronic night sweats where as I would wake up completely drenched. This happened to me about 20 times or so over the course of 2 years and hasn't happened since. I always assumed it was babesia, therefore I thought the herbs/abx I've been taking would also go after the babs. I was even taking a babesia specific tincture, wouldn't the Doxy/Plaquenil/Rifampin/Tindamax go after the babs as well?
Best,

Jon

Symptoms started 2001; misdiagnosed for years. CDC Bb diagnosed in 2016. Hashimoto 2017. Grew up near Cape Cod, MA playing in the forests and creeks

Started treatment in 2016
Buhner's protocol, lots of supplements, paleo diet 2016-17 - no noticeable pain relief benefits
Doxy/Plaquenil/Rifampin Nov 17- present - No noticeable benefit

Wisco woman
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   Posted 2/8/2018 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Certain antibiotics make me brake out - mainly in my chest and back but sometimes on my face as well. I have been told by my lyme doc that it's the bartonella dieing from the antibiotics. I take plenty of probiotics to hopefully replenish the good bacteria. I notice after I've been on an antibiotic for awhile the ance disappears and because of this I do believe it's just the bartonella reacting. It sucks but I just remind myself that it's temporary and it means I'm killing these demons.

astroman
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   Posted 2/8/2018 8:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Herxing, is in fact, bad for you. Herxing means your body or liver cant keep up detoxing on its own.

If your practicing daily detoxification and still hexing- even your detoxing cant keep up.

So detox with other methods, hang on for the ride, or back off killing the critters.

If you have any of the many liver methalation gene issues, detoxing will be more difficult. D-Limonine specifically works for these genes where other detox supplements lack.

My LLMD said a good 10% of adult patients will get a reappearance of acne from irraticating the bacteria - and its not uncommon for this skin issue to last 3 months to a year after a long ABX routine.

One can get acne from systemic Candida too. There are antibody blood tests for this. Antibiotics promote candida, common here.
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