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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/12/2018 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, my phone died before I could submit my post, so this is a condensed version.

I keep getting shingles.

What do you do about viruses in general?

Two of the herbs Buhner lists as top antivirals in his antiviral book - Isatis and Houttynia - are both in the bartonella protocol. Does bartonella have anything to do with viruses? If so, what's the connection?

goshawk
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   Posted 2/12/2018 6:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Bart is a gram negative bacteria and I was just checking the chapter on bart in his book and so far nothing on anything viral.

I looked at the different types of bart there are so many, and he lists the symptoms . There are a few types of bart that causes skin lesions and/or ulcerative skin lesions. on p.289 in the co infection book.

From Bart coinfection book:
Buhner says that on p.344 that The antibacterial regimen,should you desire to use it ,consists of Alchorne cordifolia,isatis and houttuynia.

He says, These herbs help with inflammation and all have a broad range of antibacterial actions.

So while they also have antiviral actions, when using for Bart he is saying its for the above reasons(antibacterial).

Hout and isatis should give you coverage for both viral and bacterial.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 2/12/2018 6:31 PM (GMT -6)   
i would try olive leaf extract, has been shown to be affective against the various herpes viruses



are you getting the rashes? if so I would make a compress from the extract and apply it directly to the rash

/diyremedies.org/olive-leaf-extract-cures-herpes/

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/12/2018 8:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks!

I knew I forgot something when I had to retype this post. I had another question. Are there any general symptoms that would give someone a clue that they have a high viral load or have a reactivated virus?

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/12/2018 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis_29 said...
i would try olive leaf extract, has been shown to be affective against the various herpes viruses



are you getting the rashes? if so I would make a compress from the extract and apply it directly to the rash

/diyremedies.org/olive-leaf-extract-cures-herpes/


Lapis,
I didn't get the outbreak this last time. I got on Valtrex pretty quick when I realized what the burning pain was.

Does olive leaf extract have the potential to cause a herx?

Lapis_29
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   Posted 2/12/2018 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
i dont know if it will cause a herx or not, most likely it will. some say it is affective against lyme also, but I am not sure about that

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/12/2018 8:29 PM (GMT -6)   
goshawk said...
Bart is a gram negative bacteria and I was just checking the chapter on bart in his book and so far nothing on anything viral.

I looked at the different types of bart there are so many, and he lists the symptoms . There are a few types of bart that causes skin lesions and/or ulcerative skin lesions. on p.289 in the co infection book.

From Bart coinfection book:
Buhner says that on p.344 that The antibacterial regimen,should you desire to use it ,consists of Alchorne cordifolia,isatis and houttuynia.

He says, These herbs help with inflammation and all have a broad range of antibacterial actions.

So while they also have antiviral actions, when using for Bart he is saying its for the above reasons(antibacterial).

Hout and isatis should give you coverage for both viral and bacterial.


Thank you so much for looking all that up! I have been taking IHA formula since August with those herbs, but tiny doses still - 5 drops 3x day. When I got this last bout of shingles, I added a dropper full of Isatis each night before bed. I feel like it helped some and I didn't think it caused any herx. He says it should not be taken for more than 3 weeks. Tonight ends my 3 weeks. I've been on the formula many months but at such low doses I hope it's okay. I feel like it's going to take the rest of my life to treat bartonella sufficiently.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 2/12/2018 8:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I can't say I've noticed anything positive from using Buhner's herbals in regards to viruses. Having said that, we rarely have got any viruses the last few years (very odd actually).

However, Kid#2 reacted really strongly to Monolaurin and Lysine Extra for viruses. Of course, it could have been attacking something else other than viruses. But his NP recommended we try this because he suspected he had a high viral load that was not allowing him to heal/recover.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 2/12/2018 8:52 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
goshawk said...
Bart is a gram negative bacteria and I was just checking the chapter on bart in his book and so far nothing on anything viral.

I looked at the different types of bart there are so many, and he lists the symptoms . There are a few types of bart that causes skin lesions and/or ulcerative skin lesions. on p.289 in the co infection book.

From Bart coinfection book:
Buhner says that on p.344 that The antibacterial regimen,should you desire to use it ,consists of Alchorne cordifolia,isatis and houttuynia.

He says, These herbs help with inflammation and all have a broad range of antibacterial actions.

So while they also have antiviral actions, when using for Bart he is saying its for the above reasons(antibacterial).

Hout and isatis should give you coverage for both viral and bacterial.


Thank you so much for looking all that up! I have been taking IHA formula since August with those herbs, but tiny doses still - 5 drops 3x day. When I got this last bout of shingles, I added a dropper full of Isatis each night before bed. I feel like it helped some and I didn't think it caused any herx. He says it should not be taken for more than 3 weeks. Tonight ends my 3 weeks. I've been on the formula many months but at such low doses I hope it's okay. I feel like it's going to take the rest of my life to treat bartonella sufficiently.


I don't know, WBF.... about Buhner's limitations on recommended short treatment duration for bartonella/babesia. I think people have used it longer than he says....???

I've used Isatis longer than 3 weeks for sure, but we did rotate off of it eventually.

I like a lot of Buhner's recommendations, but I'm having issues with this short duration of things like Isatis/etc.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/12/2018 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
He said Isatis taken longer can cause a deep chill. I haven't had any chills, so I haven't worried about it. I doubt if I'll ever get up to high enough doses of anything to cause any real adverse events.
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