Success with Buhner Protocol for Bartonella?

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DJKWUK
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   Posted 2/13/2018 7:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi i'm looking to do the Buhner protocol for Bartonella as I have horrible brain symptoms (feel crazy), pressure in left temple, red eyes, tingling, eye problems, tinnitus, brain fog, anxiety, some MS type symptoms & sleep issues.

I did Antibiotics for 8 months with a 'Lyme Doctor' but only noticed my stretch marks faded away and sore eyes went away. I didn't want to take antibiotics any longer and risk resistance with such little improvement.

I'm taking Lauricidin at the moment and Hottuynia, looking to start full Buhner protocol? Has anyone had success in getting better with this please?

Also is it OK to use tinctures for all the herbs? I was going to look at sourcing from Bristol Botanicles?

Thank you !

NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/13/2018 8:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Did you take Bartonella targeted meds like Rifampin, or bactrim?

I have a friend who said she completely healed on Buhners herbal protocol for bartonella and it only took her a few months. Of course this depends on so many things. Toxic load, bacteria load, ability to detox, etc.
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 2/13/2018 1:43 PM (GMT -6)   
The herbs that seemed to help my bartonella symptoms are boneset, sida actua, red root, stephania, and N-Acetyl-Cysteine. Of course I'm taking other herbs too. Rifampin never did anything for me. I don't have too many bartonella symptoms now. but I've got a pretty bad rash.

cr3ativegirl
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   Posted 2/13/2018 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I did the protocol, including all his food recommendations and they work.I would caution about the high dose arginine. that didnt work for me and caused my mycoplasma to go crazy. I also use the Desbios Bartonella remedy which retrains the immune system to see it. Homepathics seems to really work on me.
Oct 2015 Dx Lyme, Candida, Mold, Toxic Metals, multiple co-infections
Jan 2016 Minocycline pulse/ Nystatin, Flucanizole
Feb 2016 LDI for Mold, Lyme, EBV, Added Tinidozole, Flucanizole
Sept 2016 Switched to Buhner herbs. @ 90%
January 2017 Plaquenil for Babesia @95%
Feb 2017 Dx Mucor/Mycoplasma in Nervous system.
Oct 2017 Dx Bartonella - @95%

Rikky1
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   Posted 2/13/2018 5:49 PM (GMT -6)   
i'll tell you 2 things that are guaranteed to kick bart's butt (and your own from the herxing).

the isatis/houttuynia/alchornea combo that buhner lists under his bartonella protocol. this one is a triple whammy so be very careful dosing.

black cumin seed oil is another one guaranteed to hit gram negative pathogens pretty hard.

Szabo246
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   Posted 2/13/2018 8:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Rikky have you taken black cumin seed oil? I can’t seem to find it from a reliable source. Can it be taken with all other herbs?

Dollface29
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   Posted 2/14/2018 3:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm on an antibiotic protocol for Bart which currently includes Clarithro and Rifampin...will be eventually adding Rifabutin...it seems to have activated my 'always there but previously more latent' joint aches.

I have the Buhner protocol tinctures but have been too scared to take them. I don't want to be experimenting on my own. Do they really help kick Bart and cure you? Has anyone cured themselves with it?

Also - how do you CHECK to see if you have candida? Are there any identifiable candida symptoms?

Thanks a lot, guys! So badly in need of support from the uncertainty of this disease- my doc doesn't have a great bedside manner!

NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/14/2018 7:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Rikky1 said...
i'll tell you 2 things that are guaranteed to kick bart's butt (and your own from the herxing).

the isatis/houttuynia/alchornea combo that buhner lists under his bartonella protocol. this one is a triple whammy so be very careful dosing.

black cumin seed oil is another one guaranteed to hit gram negative pathogens pretty hard.


Interesting.. houttuynia alone kicked my butt! I am getting ready to slowly add that in with my Mepron, Zithromax, and Bactrim combo and buhner's core protocol plus CSA. So I guess I am taking Alchornea in the CSA too.

I hope that all of this can clear up my babesia and bartonella. Sick of being sick..

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/14/2018 8:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Dollface29 said...
I'm on an antibiotic protocol for Bart which currently includes Clarithro and Rifampin...will be eventually adding Rifabutin...it seems to have activated my 'always there but previously more latent' joint aches.

I have the Buhner protocol tinctures but have been too scared to take them. I don't want to be experimenting on my own. Do they really help kick Bart and cure you? Has anyone cured themselves with it?

Also - how do you CHECK to see if you have candida? Are there any identifiable candida symptoms?

Thanks a lot, guys! So badly in need of support from the uncertainty of this disease- my doc doesn't have a great bedside manner!


Buhner's herbs do cause Bart symptoms to intensify. I can only assume that means it is doing something to kill Bart. I'm 8 months into the Buhner protocol and have recently had a big flare of Bart symptoms after some initial improvements. It's going to take me a while. I've had this stuff for decades.

Don't be too afraid of the Buhner herbs. Just start with tiny doses. When starting a new herb, I like to do a taste test. I put one drop of the herb (usually tincture drops) on or under my tongue and see what my initial reaction is. If I don't notice any symptoms from it, I'll increase by a drop or two until I get some kind of symptom response for better or worse.

Just so you know, the herbs that increase symptoms for many people are houttynia (which is in the IHA formula), sida acuta (which is in the CSA formula), Japanese knotweed and cat's claw. I would start with a few drops or 1/8 tsp or less if using powdered herbs of those. Any antibacterial herbs have the potential to cause a herx, so start with low doses and slowly increase.

If you're on abx and already herxing from that, I would wait until you're not herxing before adding herbs.

Just like with abx, herx reactions from herbs can occur quickly or come days to weeks later. Just keep that in mind.

cr3ativegirl
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   Posted 2/14/2018 9:23 AM (GMT -6)   
You can check candida with the lab from Great Plains lab. It’s the O.A.T.S test. It’s a urine test and it went measures the metabolic waste of the pathogen in your gut. My Candida was through the roof. Or you can get it tested with electrodermal screening but I feel like I’m on the only one on the board that does EDS.

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 2/14/2018 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I just found out you can get black cumin seed and black cumin seed oil from Mountain Rose herbs. I'm going to try it soon. Has anyone else had improvement from it?

Rikky1
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   Posted 2/14/2018 5:21 PM (GMT -6)   
i got my black cumin seed oil from amazing herbs on amazon just look it up its a decent one.

i know this stuff works because i know what bugs cause what herxes and when i took the above herbs it kicked my proverbial butt big time.

oh by the way black cumin seed oil is a potent anti-fungal against candida so it'll do some candida killing as well.

Lightlife
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   Posted 2/14/2018 9:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you all think individual herbs are better bet for coinfections or are the combos a strong enough dose ( sort of unmeasurable) ? I will be blindly challenging and looking for reactions...

I'm doing bruhners core through green dragon caps and I'm starting to think I need to go with individual herbs so I can increase dose. Especially of andrographis.

Hi Rikki ...

If you have a minute and could elaborate on what bugs cause what here... if it's not too much. Is there a simple way to look at it that I could be missing. I'm trying to figure out coinfections. I'll prob just add in CSA or IHA and see if I have a reaction...

Girlie
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   Posted 2/14/2018 11:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Lightlife - I found that doing the herbs individually worked well...because you can adjust the doses individually.


You can switch over to Green Dragon capsules for lyme - in individual herbs once you run out of the Core.

I found that taking the capsules became too much pill swallowing. Once you get to a fairly high dosage and add in the herbs for co-infections - it's a lot of caps to be swallowing.

I think I was taking over 30 capsules per day and I was just on the lyme protocol at that time.
So, i switched over to tinctures. Most of my Buhner herbs I get from Woodland Essence.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Dollface29
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   Posted 2/15/2018 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks so much for this WalkingByFaith! Yes, I might cautiously try to start after I stop herxing with abx and start small with Sida Acuta or Houttuniya. I'm terrified of Cat's Claw (the name itself, lol), thanks a lot for the direction.

Thanks so much, cr3ativegirl! Unfortunately, not sure if that test is available in my country but I will try to look into it. I will be starting black cumin seed oil as well though, just as a candida-fighter whether I have it or not. Thanks!

Post Edited (Dollface29) : 2/15/2018 12:22:16 PM (GMT-7)


LymeDocSearch
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   Posted 4/4/2018 7:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello all!

For the past year, I have had disabling fatigue, pain in neck lymph-nodes and neurological problems. The neurological problems have improved but other symptoms have not.

Is the Buhner protocol working for anyone and how long did it take? I've been on the 11 herbs with supplements from his latest book protocol for 8 months now and not seeing any improvement with lymph-nodes or fatigue. Also, has the main 3 herbs work for anyone because this stuff is expensive and I'm out of work?

Thanks all and hope you are feeling better today!

LDS

Girlie
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   Posted 4/4/2018 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 4/4/2018 1:38 PM (GMT -6)   
LymeDocSearch said...
Hello all!

For the past year, I have had disabling fatigue, pain in neck lymph-nodes and neurological problems. The neurological problems have improved but other symptoms have not.

Is the Buhner protocol working for anyone and how long did it take? I've been on the 11 herbs with supplements from his latest book protocol for 8 months now and not seeing any improvement with lymph-nodes or fatigue. Also, has the main 3 herbs work for anyone because this stuff is expensive and I'm out of work?

Thanks all and hope you are feeling better today!

LDS


Have you taken red root for lymph nodes and eleuthero for fatigue?

Do you have EBV or mycoplasma?
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