White spots on nails , what is the cuz ?

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edgaroo
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   Posted 2/16/2018 6:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi

Anybody knows what means thos white spots on nails ? iv test them to fungus but test comes negative in 2 diff labs...


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Girlie
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   Posted 2/16/2018 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I can't really see distinct white spots in that photo.


But, I had a lot of white spots on my fingernails after my symptoms started.

And since treatment, I now only have one finger on each hand with a single white spot...so it's improving.

not sure what it means...I'm not banging/hitting my fingers.
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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/16/2018 12:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I can't really see the spots either, but I used to have them and worry about them when I was younger and did not know I had Lyme/co. Doctors always dismissed my worries.

I wonder if it's bart. Bart causes lots of skin symptoms and nails are closely related to skin. I have lots of bart symptoms.

Justin01
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   Posted 2/16/2018 12:23 PM (GMT -6)   
White spots on the nails can indicate Zinc deficiency. Usually it's in white lines, but can present as white spots. Though, that picture really isn't that clear, and I can't see the white that you are referring to.

Girlie
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   Posted 2/16/2018 12:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Mine seem to be connected to my infections...the longer I treat, the more they disappear.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

k07
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   Posted 2/16/2018 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Low zinc. Look into KPU/HPU

I can’t really see white spots in your pic though.

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 2/16/2018 4:59 PM (GMT -6)   
As others have stated, I do not see any white spots, either.

Here's what Andrew Weil, MD wrote on the matter, back in 2005:

"The white spots on nail you notice are not caused by a calcium deficiency. These white spots in fingernails are called 'leukonychia' and are very common. Most of the time the white spots simply are a sign of some past injury to the matrix (base) of your nails. By the time the white spot shows up (about six weeks after the injury) you’ve probably forgotten all about banging or knocking your fingers. Sometimes, the injury can stem from a manicure that put excessive pressure on the base of the nails. White fingernail spots also can be a sign of an allergic reaction to nail polish or nail hardeners and, sometimes, are a symptom of a mild infection.

Whatever the cause, white spots on fingernails are temporary and will grow out as your nails grow. However, it can take more than eight months for nails to grow out completely so the spots may be around for a while.

Sometimes, a change in the appearance of your nails does indicate an underlying disease, but these changes would be more dramatic than just the occasional white spot. Nails that turn completely white, for example, can indicate liver disease, but by the time this happens, you probably would have other symptoms.

Incidentally, in addition to the myth that white spots in fingernails are a sign of calcium deficiency, you may also have heard that they indicate a zinc deficiency. That isn’t true either. Neither is the well known but bizarre notion that the spots are due to eating too much Hellmann’s mayonnaise (I’m not making this up)."



I don't have white spots on my nails, but I have ridges/lines that run lengthwise on all my nails. After reading many sources on the matter, like most things, it seems there are lots of theories and opinions, but no single cause that can be confirmed. If there were, then no one would still have streaks (or spots).

Other less common and rare (emphasis mine) causes of spots/streaks on the nails are attributed to such conditions as:

* Heart Disease
* Renal (Kidney) Failure
* Psoriasis or Eczema
* Pneumonia
* Arsenic Poisoning

Although I'm not a Doctor, I would imagine if a person had such serious conditions such as Heart Disease or Renal Failure, white spots/streaks on nails would not likely be the first symptom.

Other suggested sources of spots include parasites and heavy metals. Again, just more speculation.

If I were to place a bet on what might be the cause, I would say either:

* Deficiency
* Malabsorption

But, again, this is just a guess.

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   Posted 2/16/2018 5:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Dude - I also have the vertical lines - but only since lyme.

...and my white spots on my fingernails were only since lyme...and they went on for about two years.

Now I am only seeing two and one is almost grown out. So, I'm thinking it's "indicate an underlying disease, but these changes would be more dramatic than just the occasional white spot."

My vertical lines haven't improved however. Maybe it's an old age thing...I definitely have gotten older..hehe.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 2/16/2018 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
My lines have appeared since Lyme/whatever I have, too, Girlie. But, age is also a confounding factor!

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 2/19/2018 12:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I just saw that "white spots on the fingernails" is listed as one of the symptoms of Pyroluria/High Mauve:

Everything There is to Know about Kryptopyrrole and Pyrroluria (High Mauve)
/www.selfhacked.com/blog/everything-know-high-mauve

Girlie
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   Posted 2/19/2018 1:24 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
I just saw that "white spots on the fingernails" is listed as one of the symptoms of Pyroluria/High Mauve:

Everything There is to Know about Kryptopyrrole and Pyrroluria (High Mauve)
/www.selfhacked.com/blog/everything-know-high-mauve




Isn't that the same as what k07 posted (KPU)?


In my case, I only have two nails with the white spots now...
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 2/19/2018 1:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
The Dude Abides said...
I just saw that "white spots on the fingernails" is listed as one of the symptoms of Pyroluria/High Mauve:

Everything There is to Know about Kryptopyrrole and Pyrroluria (High Mauve)
/www.selfhacked.com/blog/everything-know-high-mauve


Isn't that the same as what k07 posted (KPU)?

In my case, I only have two nails with the white spots now...


Well, crap! Yes, it is! confused Obviously, I didn't re-read the thread. I also posted the above links in k07's "KPU" thread.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 3:37 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
My lines have appeared since Lyme/whatever I have, too, Girlie. But, age is also a confounding factor!


Age is the decrease in one's ability to eliminate free radicals combined with a reduction in cellular processing due to nutrient depletion. There is more to it than this but this is the main portion of aging. Age should not be used as a factor for anything. Instead, we should look at what is happening physiologically.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 5:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Georgia Hunter said...
The Dude Abides said...
My lines have appeared since Lyme/whatever I have, too, Girlie. But, age is also a confounding factor!


Age is the decrease in one's ability to eliminate free radicals combined with a reduction in cellular processing due to nutrient depletion. There is more to it than this but this is the main portion of aging. Age should not be used as a factor for anything. Instead, we should look at what is happening physiologically.


Very good points. You made me think about how Jack LaLanne was in such great shape, right up into his final days.

From Wikipedia:

"LaLanne died of respiratory failure due to pneumonia at his home on 23 January 2011. He was 96. According to his family, he had been sick for a week, but refused to see a doctor. They added that he had been performing his daily workout routine the day before his death."

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   Posted 2/23/2018 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't have any answers for you, but I too have experienced this since I've contracted Lyme and Bartonella and Morgellons. I've been treating w/ ABX for almost a year now and have seen no improvement with my fingernails returning to normal. I've also noticed my finger nails are much weaker then they were in the past. I've been trying to use my fingernails as a visual guide to my progress (for no good reason other than I could see this change that happened), so it does frustrate me when I don't see this strange symptom disappearing.
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