Study: Lyme is very likely sexually transmitted

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Lapis_29
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   Posted 2/19/2018 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
https://www.mensfitness.com/women/sex-tips/newest-std-lyme-disease

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YOU COULD GET Lyme disease—often mistakenly thought to be spread only by deer ticks—as easily in bed as in the woods, new research shows.

In the study, all females who had it also tested positive for Lyme bacteria in (there’s no easy way to say this) vaginal secretions; about half the semen samples from men with Lyme tested positive as well; and hetero married couples practicing unprotected sex had identical strains. This “strongly suggests that sexual transmission occurs,” says the study’s Peter Mayne, M.B.B.S.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 5:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Yup - and I think most LLMD's would agree - although I've never asked my LLND or the NP at the "J" clinic.


A lot of couples - both have it - doubt it's just from being at the same place, same time scenario.
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   Posted 2/19/2018 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   
But I know several couples where only one partner has it- why? I'm pretty sure they still get together

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   Posted 2/19/2018 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
But I know several couples where only one partner has it- why? I'm pretty sure they still get together


Maybe they're using barrier protection...or not "getting jiggy with it"
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   Posted 2/19/2018 6:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie- I doubt it.
Its am important question-why do many couples have only one with chronic lyme?

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magoo2 said...
Girlie- I doubt it.
Its am important question-why do many couples have only one with chronic lyme?


I am convinced some are genetically immune to lyme, and others are genetically very susceptible to it. Dont have proof but thats my theory.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
"Theoretically" and the probability of something is not necessarily the same thing. All because something is "present" doesn't mean it's a viable way for it to survive in transmission successfully. Or it could mean that.

It's the same reason why the odds of transferring HIV through oral sex is astronomically low because of various scientific reason and factors we don't have to get into.

It's also why there's a significantly statistical lower chance of it spreading from male to female vaginal sex versus "other ways" *ahem*. The chance isn't "low" but "lower". There's also various scientific reasons for this as well.

Basically, my point is these studies just acknowledge the presence of lyme in and around sexual areas. But that doesn't prove it can successfully transmit that way or the odds of it. Nor does it disprove it either.
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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Its a theory. If it was genetic wouldn't people get it at a young age? You are born with your genes-you don't get new one later in life. Most people I know had very good health when younger.

I think its all about strong or weak body systems. I kind of got that from dr rau's theory-it just makes sense. The more we understand how and why we get lyme the better chance we have to reverse that course and find health.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
>>But I know several couples where only one partner has it- why? I'm pretty sure they still get together

magoo who's to say they both don't? testing is very unreliable and symptoms don't always manifest themselves.

also you can have sexual relations 100 times and not pass it but that 101st time it could stick so to speak. too many unknowns here.

i can say i'm fairly positive i gave it to my wife sexually. i've been healthy my whole life, got sick one day and have never been the same. about 18 months later my wife who's historically had a rock solid immune system came down with lyme.

lyme being transmitted sexually is a no brainer for me given all we know about this disease and enough evidence. i'm not sure why we need a smoking gun and the perpetrator standing over the dead body to settle this.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Rikky1 said...


also you can have sexual relations 100 times and not pass it but that 101st time it could stick so to speak. too many unknowns here.



I agree. It's more about the odds and probability than "can it". Yes, theoretically, it can.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:27 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm sure its sexually transmitted-if the host systems are open to it.

Our systems get worn down slowly over time-we dont always know.

Dr. Rau explains in his lecturre ( on youtube)-he went to a forest community and tested 1,000 people for lyme-they all had been exposed and yet none had any sickness. Strong community.

I just drove through northern wis. lots of farms 1.4 million deer and many people spend most of the day outside-there is some lyme but most people dont get lyme.

Anyway-I guess the answer is be careful who you sleep with ( I miss the 90s ))

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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Rikky1 said...
>>But I know several couples where only one partner has it- why? I'm pretty sure they still get together

magoo who's to say they both don't? testing is very unreliable and symptoms don't always manifest themselves.



That's true.. can't rely on the testing....and different immune systems...i know mine came on when I was going through year 4 of a very stressful time in my life.
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   Posted 2/19/2018 7:58 PM (GMT -6)   
mine just came up out of nowhere, literally. pretty sure i got infected from a backyard party i went to. my body apparently can't handle whatever pathogens were injected into me as i'm into year 4 of this horrible disease and still can't shake it.

too bad there isn't more progress on research who knows the answer to chronically sick folks like us could end up being so simple.

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   Posted 2/19/2018 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
We will be dead by the time research catches up to this issue.
I focus on doing everything I can to strengthen my body-dental-parasite,metal and now rbti.

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   Posted 2/20/2018 8:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Just because it's occasionally found to be in sexual secretions and even between partners doesn't mean that this is an efficient mechanism of infection. Pretty much all bacteria can be opportunistic pathogens if host factors allow. All this means is a bacteria is exploiting an available niche at the expense of a host. A niche which may not be available in every, or even most, hosts. However, Borrelias long standing tendency is to spread from ticks and therefor it has refined it's strategies towards this method. This is its natural cycle of transmission. This is how it avoids extinction and this is where selective pressures act most strongly. Everything else is chance as far as we know and doesn't contribute as much to its survival.

Now I'm not saying sexual transmission doesn't happen. Or that it doesn't happen frequently. I don't know what the probability is really. Just answering the question of why some couples share it and some don't. Most pathogens don't transmit with 100% success even in their natural routes. The success drops off even further when other routes are involved. Any infection by these routes is better thought of as a matter opportunism. Same reason some ladies are prone to vaginitis. Most of the culprits are very very very common, like Candida, but only cause problems when host factors such as lack of competitive microorganisms, genetic susceptibilities, and other abiotic factors are involved. I still suggest protection because even a 1% chance is more than I'm willing to gamble with in my partner over the long haul

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   Posted 2/20/2018 9:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Some very logical responses above. One factor that needs to be considered is the number of people who have contracted the borrelia bacteria vs the number of people who have Lyme Disease. A very high number of people have the borrelia bacteria, a relatively low number of people have Lyme Disease. There are multiple reasons why but for the above arguments, I would assume the most plausible reason would be from different pathogens working synergistically with each other utilizing gene transfer to create more virulent strains. This is found in the literature and could help explain why some people get Lyme and others don't. The older you are, the more chance you have for exposure to a combination of pathogens that are unsuitable for optimal health.

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   Posted 2/20/2018 10:49 AM (GMT -6)   
What about coinfections? I have yet to find anything about sexual transmission of cos. For those whose partners have Lyme, and believe it was sexually transmitted, does your partner also have the same cos you have? Or do they only have the cos that you have and possibly not Lyme?

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   Posted 2/20/2018 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
I see no reason why it wouldnt be transmitted sexually it does closely resemble syphilis. Why some people get it and others dont I believe is mostly down to the strength of your immune system.

I know I was infected 3 years before showing any symptoms, then I contracted chickenpox which i assume lowered my immune system. As soon as I recovered from that all my symptoms came on quickly and in the space of a few months I went from feeling healthy to being pretty much bed ridden.

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   Posted 2/20/2018 1:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Spanish said...
I see no reason why it wouldnt be transmitted sexually it does closely resemble syphilis. Why some people get it and others dont I believe is mostly down to the strength of your immune system.

I know I was infected 3 years before showing any symptoms, then I contracted chickenpox which i assume lowered my immune system. As soon as I recovered from that all my symptoms came on quickly and in the space of a few months I went from feeling healthy to being pretty much bed ridden.


How did you know you were infected 3 years earlier? By a positive test?
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   Posted 2/22/2018 12:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie, I remember being bitten by a tick, found it still attached and had the classiic bullseye rash. I went to doctors but was told it was nothing to worry about as lyme dosent exist here.

Stupidly I believed them.

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   Posted 2/22/2018 1:07 AM (GMT -6)   
Spanish said...
Girlie, I remember being bitten by a tick, found it still attached and had the classiic bullseye rash. I went to doctors but was told it was nothing to worry about as lyme dosent exist here.

Stupidly I believed them.


Not stupidly...how were you to know. It's criminal that the Doctors are not taught in Med school how to diagnose and treat lyme disease....and that it is all over...even in Spain!
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