Liposomal Glutathione/Mepron/Babesia Treatment

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sierraDon
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   Posted 2/20/2018 4:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, just wanted a sanity check. I was recommended to take Liposomal Glutathione for detoxing, tho i have read the articles that this may stir up babesia growth.

anyone know anything positive or negative about this?

from the PubMed article, they cited this happen in a lot of strains of babesia, but not specifically b.microti.

I don't know why my LLMD would recommend it to me if this true, but it seems to be common place to use it with a lot of the ILADS docs like Dr H, Dr B, etc.

thanks a lot

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/20/2018 9:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I have never heard of that. What PubMed article was this is? Can you post the link?

I hope that's not true. I've been taking liposomal glutathione daily since Sep 16.

sierraDon
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   Posted 2/21/2018 7:44 AM (GMT -6)   
yes there are two articles, both not completely clear:

This one talks about using GSH (Glutathione) to grow babesia gibsoni
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10945292

this one talks about about using for abunch of different strains, but doesnt indicate using GSH (Glutathione) with b.microti
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC118085/

it seems there is some swirl around this topic on other forums too.

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Lapis_29
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   Posted 2/21/2018 1:42 PM (GMT -6)   
good question, its appears that glutathione cannot actually enter the red blood cells but it acts to protect the cells from oxidative damage caused by babesia thus allowing the babesia to grow.

this thread discusses the issue a bit, the pros and cons

flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=128232;p=0

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/21/2018 2:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis_29 said...
good question, its appears that glutathione cannot actually enter the red blood cells but it acts to protect the cells from oxidative damage caused by babesia thus allowing the babesia to grow.

this thread discusses the issue a bit, the pros and cons

flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=128232;p=0


Lapis,

The link didn't work. Curious too what you think of this. You're one of the more sciency folks on here.

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   Posted 2/21/2018 2:24 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Lapis_29 said...
good question, its appears that glutathione cannot actually enter the red blood cells but it acts to protect the cells from oxidative damage caused by babesia thus allowing the babesia to grow.

this thread discusses the issue a bit, the pros and cons

flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=128232;p=0


Lapis,

The link didn't work. Curious too what you think of this. You're one of the more sciency folks on here.


search for "Babesia and Glutathione and Glutamine -- Journal Abstract" on lymenet, that thread has a good discussion on it, better than anything I can come up with, should be first result here

/www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=LMeNWuugCoawzwLBjZb4Cw&q=lymenet+Babesia+and+Glutathione+and+Glutamine++Journal+Abstract+lymenet%2C+&oq=lymenet+Babesia+and+Glutathione+and+Glutamine++Journal+Abstract+lymenet%2C+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1973.19693.0.19930.18.18.0.0.0.0.108.1504.11j7.18.0....0...1c.1j2.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.effyd3a7bNg

sierraDon
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   Posted 2/21/2018 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks, yes those are the other threads.

seems like strong indication that Glutathione enables babesia growth.

i am skippin that one, still not sure why LLMDs would suggest that given the PubMed articles...very frustrating.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/21/2018 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis_29 said...
WalkingbyFaith said...
Lapis_29 said...
good question, its appears that glutathione cannot actually enter the red blood cells but it acts to protect the cells from oxidative damage caused by babesia thus allowing the babesia to grow.

this thread discusses the issue a bit, the pros and cons

flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=128232;p=0


Lapis,

The link didn't work. Curious too what you think of this. You're one of the more sciency folks on here.


search for "Babesia and Glutathione and Glutamine -- Journal Abstract" on lymenet, that thread has a good discussion on it, better than anything I can come up with, should be first result here

/www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=LMeNWuugCoawzwLBjZb4Cw&q=lymenet+Babesia+and+Glutathione+and+Glutamine++Journal+Abstract+lymenet%2C+&oq=lymenet+Babesia+and+Glutathione+and+Glutamine++Journal+Abstract+lymenet%2C+&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1973.19693.0.19930.18.18.0.0.0.0.108.1504.11j7.18.0....0...1c.1j2.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.effyd3a7bNg


Thx. I took a look. Sounds familiar. I think this was mentioned on here before. I'm not going to get too excited about this. I've been on both glutamine and oral liposomal glutathione for over a year. I'm afraid to stop any supplements until I'm much improved.
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