Tingling/Numbess in Face Increasing on Babesia Treatment

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NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/23/2018 12:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I started babesia treatment back up last Friday after taking a month break for travel. Before that month break I had two months of treatment of Mepron and Zithromax.

Most my symptoms just get a lot worse when I am taking this combo like inability to concentrate or focus, weakness/fatigue, dizzyness, mood swings, night sweats, air hunger.

BUT the strange thing is - my tingling/numbess in my face and eye twitching have increased. My foot pain in the morning has also kind of increased.

To me this sounds like bart symptoms are showing a lot more, but why? Because the bacteria load of babesia is getting knocked down and allowing bart to come out?

Or is this typical for a bebesia herx? I Just go back and forth on whether I am dealing with bartonella or babesia or both or neither(??).. these symptoms make it harder to tell. Sometimes I think that maybe I do have another issue like MS.. All lab testing that I have tried for babesia and bart have come back negative. (DNA Connexions and Labcorp)

After 2.5 months of treating babesia with mepron and zithromax I have seen absolutely no improvement in symptoms.

Thoughts?

Post Edited (NicHostetler) : 2/23/2018 11:55:10 AM (GMT-7)


WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/23/2018 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
"To me this sounds like bart symptoms are showing a lot more, but why? Because the bacteria load of babesia is getting knocked down and allowing bart to come out?"

I was wondering about this same thing. I'm doing Buhner's herbs for Lyme, bartonella, and babesia with an emphasis on the bartonella. I take sida acuta which hits both. I recently added bidens and have really concentrated on that herb. Bidens is in the babesia protocol. But instead of babesia symptoms coming out, I've been having increased bart symptoms.

Girlie
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   Posted 2/23/2018 1:55 PM (GMT -6)   
NicHostetler said...
I started babesia treatment back up last Friday after taking a month break for travel. Before that month break I had two months of treatment of Mepron and Zithromax.

Most my symptoms just get a lot worse when I am taking this combo like inability to concentrate or focus, weakness/fatigue, dizzyness, mood swings, night sweats.

BUT the strange thing is - my tingling/numbess in my face and eye twitching have increased. My foot pain in the morning has also kind of increased.

To me this sounds like bart symptoms are showing a lot more, but why? Because the bacteria load of babesia is getting knocked down and allowing bart to come out?

Or is this typical for a bebesia herx? I Just go back and forth on whether I am dealing with bartonella or babesia or both or neither(??).. these symptoms make it harder to tell. Sometimes I think that maybe I do have another issue like MS.. All lab testing that I have tried for babesia and bart have come back negative. (DNA Connexions and Labcorp)

After 2.5 months of treating babesia with mepron and zithromax I have seen absolutely no improvement in symptoms.

Thoughts?


I think those symptoms could also be babesia. Babesia can affect the nerves as well. I know autonomic nervous system dysfunction can be caused by babs.
Take a look at this article on babesia;

/suzycohen.com/articles/lyme_babesia_treatment/

My pulsatile tinnitus is gone now since treating Babesia. And it can be caused from ANS dysfunction.

2 1/2 months on babs treatment isn't long enough.

It took at least 6 months for my tinnitus to clear up on babs treatment.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/23/2018 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
"To me this sounds like bart symptoms are showing a lot more, but why? Because the bacteria load of babesia is getting knocked down and allowing bart to come out?"

I was wondering about this same thing. I'm doing Buhner's herbs for Lyme, bartonella, and babesia with an emphasis on the bartonella. I take sida acuta which hits both. I recently added bidens and have really concentrated on that herb. Bidens is in the babesia protocol. But instead of babesia symptoms coming out, I've been having increased bart symptoms.


I am taking Buhener herbs as well. CSA, JK, Houttuynia, Skullcap, and Cat's Claw.

I thought about adding some more bart stuff like ECEg but I am not really sure if it helps much..

k07
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   Posted 2/23/2018 2:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Lets hope that dna connexions test will give you some direction!

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   Posted 2/23/2018 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Months ago I finished up a leftover 9 day supply of some Malarone I had for Babesia, I was very surprised at the herx or flare of my Bart symptoms . It tooks me at least 4 weeks to calm down the Bart symptoms and get back to a stable place.

I also have wondered why the Malarone caused the Bart to flare so intensely.

I have heard when you decrease on infection the other comes out more but this was a very strong flare/herx with Bart marks, crawling/itching sensations , neuro vibrations and had brain fog come back.

I just figured I would use up the Malarone and hit any remaining Babesia , wow is all I can say.

Take care, Jo

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   Posted 2/23/2018 4:16 PM (GMT -6)   
goshawk said...
Months ago I finished up a leftover 9 day supply of some Malarone I had for Babesia, I was very surprised at the herx or flare of my Bart symptoms . It tooks me at least 4 weeks to calm down the Bart symptoms and get back to a stable place.

I also have wondered why the Malarone caused the Bart to flare so intensely.

I have heard when you decrease on infection the other comes out more but this was a very strong flare/herx with Bart marks, crawling/itching sensations , neuro vibrations and had brain fog come back.

I just figured I would use up the Malarone and hit any remaining Babesia , wow is all I can say.

Take care, Jo


"Wow" is right, Jo.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/23/2018 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie - That makes me feel so much better! Thank you for sharing that. Maybe I AM on the right path!

K07 - RIGHT? I cannot wait to get my results. Looks like it was delivered to them yesterday so hopefully we get ours back by the end of next week. It'll be interesting to see if anything comes back on ours this second time around..

Jo - Interesting.. brain fog is definitely back for me. My brain fog has been bad since I got lyme, but gets even worse on mepron. I wonder how it will go as I keep knocking out babesia.. if bart sympoms will keep coming.. we will see.

PS I had a rash on my back last year and my LLMD thought it was shingles. It wasn't painful at all. Maybe a little itchy but now that I think about it, I am almost sure it was a bart rash.
Very sick starting around 07/2016
Started treatment 03/2017
Bixain & Cefdinir - 3 months - plateaued
Then Biaxin & Minocycline - 3 months - did not improve
Tinidazole - 500MG 2x a day - 2 weeks
Now taking:
Mepron 5mL 2x a day
Zithromax
Nystatin
Cats Claw - 30 drops 2x a day
Gou Teng - 30 drops 2x a day
CSA - 40 drops 2x a day
Japanese Knotweed - 40 drops 2x a day

magoo2
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   Posted 2/23/2018 5:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounds more like dental issue to me. Have you ever been checked by a biological dds.?
Don't treat for years and not check this out

NicHostetler
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   Posted 2/23/2018 5:36 PM (GMT -6)   
magoo2 said...
Sounds more like dental issue to me. Have you ever been checked by a biological dds.?
Don't treat for years and not check this out


The only dental work I have ever done to my teeth is braces when I was young and then just a few months ago I had my very first cavity which they filled. I was sick long before the filling.

So I doubt it's dental unless braces can cause this? I haven't even had my wisdom teeth out yet.
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