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Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/24/2018 1:22 PM (GMT -6)   
about 5 weeks ago I started buhner is Bartonella protocol. My main system has been cognitive. Although thinking has improved over the last year my anxiety is through the roof and my impulses through the roof currently. I feel like I'm going to do something would cause me to inappropriate to cause me to lose my job at times. I've restricted my protocol greatly. I can't get into the Lyme doctor till June. I'm going to book an appointment with my primary care physician is there any meds that you guys would recommend me asking for as if to psychological issues. I hope this is a psychological herx. seems to slowly be subsiding and I am detoxing like crazy. Unfortunately I had to greatly decrease herbals. This sucks because I thought I was doing pretty good maybe 70% before the protocol.

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   Posted 2/24/2018 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
It's wise to slow down your herbals until you get the herx in check.


Maybe you won't need a psyche medication...if you can get back to baseline...with slowing down treatment and detoxing.
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WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/24/2018 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Kudzu root tincture seems to be helping my psych/anger symptoms. Cutting back on the doses was a smart move.

If you're not taking binders, start those - like activated charcoal, modified citrus pectin, chlorella, etc. I like to take 2 different ones. Just take them 2 hours apart from food/meds. Chlorella can be taken with food. Not sure about meds/supp though.

Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/24/2018 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you! My goodness it's been hellish for 13 days now. Is it normal for a her to produce symptoms that you haven't had in awhile? I have been doing lemon water, green tea with( I think I may be herxing from that). As well as I went for a run/ saunna twice this week. I have my energy knock on wood. Mostly nuero.

My muscle twitching has stopped. Anxiety and impulsive think we're out of control!! I am normally a easygoing and life of a party dude. Now I have social anxiety it seems at times.

Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/24/2018 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
One more thing. Are you more sensitive to things such as food when you are herxing?
Don't want to stop my herbals but if I have to restart then so be it.
Anyone else have success treating psycholocal Lyme / coinfections?

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   Posted 2/24/2018 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Magnesium Glycinate helped me with twitching, nervousness, anxiety and helped me sleep better. Not sure if it would help or not.

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   Posted 2/24/2018 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Woodduck12 said...
One more thing. Are you more sensitive to things such as food when you are herxing?
Don't want to stop my herbals but if I have to restart then so be it.
Anyone else have success treating psycholocal Lyme / coinfections?


Some people do develop sensitivities to foods. What kind of reactions to food have you noticed?

If you're still herxing days after greatly reducing dosages, you may want to stop everything except maybe Japanese knotweed for about 3 days to get over the herx. If that works, then SLOWLY add the other herbs back one at a time (maybe one per week) at TINY doses like 1/8th - 1/4th as much as you were taking. Pay attention to your response to each herb. You will likely be more sensitive to some than others. That will help you judge how much you can increase each individual herb and how quickly. It's a learning process. I've had to back up 3 times so far during 9 months of treatment, and I thought I was already going extremely low and slow.

Another thing is I tend to have delayed herxes sometimes weeks after starting something new and can even get increased symptoms even when I haven't changed anything. Just a warning in case it happens to you, too.

It is normal to have symptoms return that you haven't had in a while and also have new symptoms you haven't had before. Isn't this fun?!!!!!!

Bartonella can be a real tough one. It is for me. Hang in there and keep coming back with questions.

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   Posted 2/24/2018 4:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Hang in there, My neuro symptoms went crazy after starting treatment. Despite detoxing like crazy I got progressively worse for the first 5 or 6 weeks.

I had to quit work and I took my self to the ER 4 times during this time as I felt so bad. Going to the ER was pointless just for them to tell me there was nothing wrong with me and send me home again.

I noticed a massive improvement from 7 weeks onwards and was able to go back to work, I didnt back off the treatment when I was bad but I probably should have. Im just too stubborn in wanting to beat this asap.

Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/24/2018 4:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Did anxiety and herxing Wax and Wane for most of you? Feels like I shot a lion with a bb gun and I can't run. Just beg and plead!

Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/24/2018 5:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you guys!! Just about everything causes a reaction my morning coffee even. I think I may get have to put my pride aside and restart. I was an ex athlete and you push through pain and mind over matter. This is really put me on edge for two weeks straight the thoughts that are out of my chariter and the anxiety and panic. I ran quite a bit as well on Friday which I could have stirred up more bugs or toxins out of the brain?

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   Posted 2/24/2018 6:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Woodduck12 said...
Did anxiety and herxing Wax and Wane for most of you? Feels like I shot a lion with a bb gun and I can't run. Just beg and plead!


Mine has waxed and waned. I also tend to alternate between brain/head herxes and body herxes with some overlap.

I love your lion analogy! I've been feeling like that for weeks on end now. I think I'm in one of the worst and longest running herxes I've had thus far. It does get better, though.

Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/24/2018 7:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I can Asymptomatic during a stressful event last year.

Woodduck12
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   Posted 2/25/2018 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Yesterday it seems like the herxing subsided. The panic and anxiety. I did suspend my herbal protocol. I hope 3 days won't take away from any progress I may have made. Although if I have to ramp up real slow I hope my immune system keep the bacteria and check till I get to full dose. I feel like I just look the devil in the eye. I'm far from a mean person and probably one of the most patient loving people. This was bizzare and scary I am scared to continue but my gut is telling me I can be restored. The only thing that I am doing is detoxing like a mad man, herbals right now are milk thistle, egcg and vit d,c DHA, as well as fish oil. Oh, and lemon H20 and activate charcoal twice a day. thanks
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