Frozen shoulder scar tissue from 25 yrs ago almost fully healed from alternative therapies; post ABX

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astroman
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   Posted 2/24/2018 4:54 PM (GMT -6)   
No more clicking or range of motion issues in my left shoulder. I aggressively treated this last year. Now I just need to get this left shoulder and upper arm as strong as my right one, this could take quite a while as well.

I developed frozen shoulder in the early 90's, with lyme.

Actually in both shoulders with a very tight neck, along with other lyme symptoms all at once. Both got usable and better but never fully healed correctly. Multiple sports impacts had something to do with this too- but alone, that should have healed, and Drs were unable to figure this out. So I learned to live with limited range of motion for a couple decades.

What I learned: You cannot fully strengthen muscles that are tight and/or have scar tissue in them. A continuing infection certainly wont help healing either and can be a partial cause.

Past efforts to fix this:
-PT didnt work
-chiros electrical "gimmics" did not do much
-Cortisone shots made it worse (25 years ago)

What helped:
-ABX lyme treatment stopped it from spreading not long ago
-Active release helped point out which tendons /muscles were the issue
-Aggressive trigger point also helped
-"Grastonn Technique" from chiro kind of helped , but was costly and not aggressive enough (its a patented rip-off of ancient chinese "Gau-Sha")

Icing on the cake:
-Very aggressive self Gau-Sha for two months breaking up the hard tissues. Multiple tools and counter top curved edge used.
-Applied DMSO/Arnica Montana gel after Gau-Sha, and worked out the next day- all last month

I do this to my right shoulder also. Same story with that one, but a few diff tendons/muscles. Hopefully same results follow.

Post Edited (astroman) : 2/25/2018 1:07:02 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 2/24/2018 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Astro - I knew you were working on your muscles but I didn't (or I forgot) know that you had frozen shoulder.

That's what I had. I couldn't put my left arm behind my back...it was severely stuck.

I have full range of motion now - well 95% - there's one 'movement' I can't quite do as well with my left.
But my PT said many people she sees that don't have frozen shoulder can't do that one.

(It's when I'm lying down on my back and I put my arms back onto the floor - elbows bent...my left hand doesn't quite go down to the floor.) Hard to explain what I mean. But it's almost there - maybe 1 inch to go.

my strength has really improved. I couldn't even close the car door with my left arm...had to reach over with my right.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
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Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 1:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie- Did you hubby ever talk you into putting some DMSO on your shoulder?

My injury list is too long to bore people with here LOL.

I understood what you described, and I just did it. Maybe cheated a little by bending my fingers back! My left and right wrists both equally stopped about 1" off the floor. That would have been difficult years ago.

Reaching for the car radio was really hard to do 25 years ago. I had to boost my whole body forward.

Wasn't putting on a winter jacket fun with this???

I was a mechanic way back then, so it made my job painfully difficult for a while, my awesome boss understood though. Then it partially healed enough for me to adapt to a less ROM and stiffness instead of pain.

Its finally so much easier to sleep on my left side now. I enjoy going to the gym again, it was brutal for a few years and I couldnt when I was herxing.

Interesting- my more major injuries are re-healing in the reverse order of which they were acquired. I remember the bad ones in slow motion memory... etched in my mind forever..
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again and with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Hashimotos adds to the enjoyment.

Girlie
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   Posted 2/25/2018 2:53 AM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Girlie- Did you hubby ever talk you into putting some DMSO on your shoulder?

My injury list is too long to bore people with here LOL.

I understood what you described, and I just did it. Maybe cheated a little by bending my fingers back! My left and right wrists both equally stopped about 1" off the floor. That would have been difficult years ago.

Reaching for the car radio was really hard to do 25 years ago. I had to boost my whole body forward.

Wasn't putting on a winter jacket fun with this???

I was a mechanic way back then, so it made my job painfully difficult for a while, my awesome boss understood though. Then it partially healed enough for me to adapt to a less ROM and stiffness instead of pain.

Its finally so much easier to sleep on my left side now. I enjoy going to the gym again, it was brutal for a few years and I couldnt when I was herxing.

Interesting- my more major injuries are re-healing in the reverse order of which they were acquired. I remember the bad ones in slow motion memory... etched in my mind forever..


Re: DMSO - No, I didn't let him put the DMSO on my left shoulder blade area. I did use it on my left hand a few times though.

it's hard not to cheat doing that 'test'. lol. My right wrist/hand go right back to the floor.
I asked a friend to do it and she said she couldn't get there - either side - about 4 inches away...and she felt a tightness in the front around the arm pit area (pecs?). I don't feel any tightness there.

Putting any jackets on - I always put my left arm in first... but you having it in both - now that would be difficult. Reaching for dishes in the cupboards was also difficult...feeling it 'pull'.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Cable pulley weight machines are great for regaining shoulder and upper arm strength. What so great is you can strengthen at ALL angles on one machine- its unlimited.

Different strength bands can be used for this as a starter, but have obvious limitations later on.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again and with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Hashimotos adds to the enjoyment.

Girlie
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   Posted 2/25/2018 2:56 PM (GMT -6)   
My husband bought me this machine - used for $130 - it was quite good, but we have a lot of exercise 'stuff' and I got tired of it in my living room...and when he purchased it I wasn't ready for rehab yet. We sold it after a couple months.

It's great for the arms.


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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Pilates, I used one in PT 10 years ago. They have all kind of add ons for those now.

If I was going to get some new modern gym equipment for home, it would be something close to the original Bowflex if you remember there infomercials years ago.

They branched out to making all kinds of equipment now, so there's no longer just one.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again and with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Hashimotos adds to the enjoyment.
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