Any Protocols For Lyme AND Mold illness?

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Mergirl
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   Posted 2/25/2018 10:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Any of the protocols address these both and assist in detoxing as well?

Thanks.

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 12:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Can do each at the same time I suppose. There is no two for one eradication deal here - complete diff meds / supps used.

D-limone will help assist though- its the best liver detoxer there is.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again and with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Hashimotos adds to the enjoyment.

Xabian
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   Posted 2/25/2018 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Can do each at the same time I suppose. There is no two for one eradication deal here - complete diff meds / supps used.

D-limone will help assist though- its the best liver detoxer there is.


Astroman,

Do you know what the protocol is for mold? I have read about the usage of cholestyramine and activated charcoal, just unsure about the dosing. I have a GP that is a close friend and can fill the prescriptions for me.

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 1:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Xabian- I know some things about mold, but Im not one of the mold experts here.

Yes, cholestyramine is the old standby. I'm sure there is more.

Others will see this, Sunday is slow here.

Mergirl
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   Posted 2/25/2018 3:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks astro.

I think I'm finally going to break down and give D Limon a shot.

I was just wondering if any of the well known protocols like Byron White or Cowdon address Mold or mycotoxins as well.

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
K0 knows mold. Not on yet today.
Had initial lyme symptoms late 80's, then again and with bullseye early 90's. Ended ABX for Lyme in 2015. Rebuilding / fine tuning / fixing muscles since then; member "10 Percenters Lyme Club". What an adventure this has been. Hashimotos adds to the enjoyment.

Raleighgirlie
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   Posted 2/25/2018 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
modified citrus pectin I believe is the supplement version of cholestyramine. I am taking that right now and am feeling better (other than these viral infections I keep picking up).

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 3:57 PM (GMT -6)   
modified citrus pectin is closer related to D-Limonene, almost the same.

They start as the same.

One is just refined more than the other. Gel tab vs powder or hard tab.

Xabian
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   Posted 2/25/2018 4:02 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Xabian- I know some things about mold, but Im not one of the mold experts here.

Yes, cholestyramine is the old standby. I'm sure there is more.

Others will see this, Sunday is slow here.


Ok cool. Very glad to have found this site. Everyone is so helpful.

Raleighgirlie said...
modified citrus pectin I believe is the supplement version of cholestyramine. I am taking that right now and am feeling better (other than these viral infections I keep picking up).


Thanks for the info. Which brand are you going with?

Xabian
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   Posted 2/25/2018 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
astroman said...
Can do each at the same time I suppose. There is no two for one eradication deal here - complete diff meds / supps used.

D-limone will help assist though- its the best liver detoxer there is.


So D-limone is not a "complete" method for clearing up mold toxicity?

astroman
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   Posted 2/25/2018 4:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Xabian said...
astroman said...
Can do each at the same time I suppose. There is no two for one eradication deal here - complete diff meds / supps used.

D-limone will help assist though- its the best liver detoxer there is.


So D-limone is not a "complete" method for clearing up mold toxicity?


Right. Very few treatments are complete here, when used alone..

bluelyme
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   Posted 2/26/2018 1:39 AM (GMT -6)   
bee venom is more powerful than diflucan and kills borrelia biofilms...iv glutithione and low dose iv vit c helped a lot...so did rife ...james bare has research of rf killing spores...

Tashin
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   Posted 2/26/2018 11:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey,
I'm pretty sure I have mold issues and I recently used some citrasolv (eco cleaning product which is d limonene) to clean the shower. It was diluted but the smell was still very strong and I was only breathing it for 5 mins when i started to have a strong reaction. I had to stay in bed for 24hrs. I am super sensitive to synthetic VOC's but don't usually react to essential oil VOC's so I think it may have been a herx reaction.(I may also be extra sensitive as I'd been having a relapse). Just a heads up to maybe start super low dose...

Mergirl
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   Posted 3/1/2018 5:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone.

I was taking MCP but I was still in the environment that I believe was causi g the main mold exposure. I did this for almost 3 months rotating with A.C. but got no relief at all. My cognitive and cardio symptoms were extremely severe.

I'm out of that place but in another home with known mold issue but not as water damaged as where I was.

I guess now I'll give the Mcp another shot. Last couple weeks taking bentonite clay and activated charcoal.

Was hoping there was also some other herbal protocol to follow besides the binders I could try for now. Maybe I'm expecting to feel better too quickly?

Bluelyme, still interested in the bee venom but I have a gut feeling a lot.of.my symptoms have been mold all along..so a rife can also be used for mold? What would be an inexpensive but effective beginners rife? I don't have a lot of money to spend on treatment so I need to get this right.

I do have an appt with a mold and lyme specialist but not until the end of May. Been treating Lyme since October and I'm still non functional mainly because of cognitive issues.

Thanks for all your input this far on this thread. I still don't know what symptoms are what but I do believe the mold was rapidly killing me and my brain.

Mergirl
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Lapis_29
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   Posted 3/3/2018 8:34 PM (GMT -6)   
what is your living situation?

do you have an apt, house, room in a house...or?

get yourself an indutrial strength ozone generator and blast your sleeping area with it. i can give you ebay links for some bare bones units that are cheap and powerful. let me know if you want more info.

Mergirl
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   Posted 3/6/2018 1:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis,

Things got so extremely severe where I was living, that I left in a haste over 3 weeks ago. I had been in the ER twice in two weeks, my brain went completely numb, my heart was going crazy, couldn't sleep at all and had red very irritated eyes.

It was so bad that I booked a hotel room that I couldn't afford and went to a walmart, bought changes of clothes, etc. I realized when I was at the hotel that my clothes had a very pungent, toxic smell to them.

Since then I've stayed at hotels, air b n bs, and up until today, on a friends couch. A friend offered me her hotel points so I'm going to another hotel for a few days as the friend that I'm staying with has a mold issue here as well and I'm not sure if it's effecting me or not. Not as severely as my relatives house where I had been living for the past 7 years getting sicker and sicker but still may be effecting me none the less.

This is a complete nightmare. I cannot find a place that I can afford or anywhere to stay even temporarily. I've been so sick these last several years that I haven't been able to work. And no I'm tired and sick and confused and have no idea what to do or where to go.

I had a gut feeling there was more then lyme going on like mold exposure or chemical inflammatory response and seems like I was right.

So for right now it seems, I'm homeless and all of my belongings are back at the house I fled. My relative who owns the home is highly offended and hurt as they were helping me since I've been sick. I'm now worried about what to do with my stuff there. I feel like it wouldn't be safe yet for me to go back in there to deal with it yet.

They cannot afford to have the house remidiated so that's not an option.

I'm trying to raise money to see a mold/lyme specialist and to move somewhere but not able to raise much so far and I'm dealing with this mostly alone. I am taking the binders that I can get right now and will be taking Epsom salt baths at the hotel. But I'm also not detoxing as much as I was while at home. But it wasn't doing any good because I was still living in whatever was there that was making me sicker.

I'm lost, tired , scared and confused and just want to know how to treat this and what I should do.

The is for your response.

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 3/6/2018 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Mergirl,

Astroman and Lapis have been telling us about the benefits of d-limonene. It may work similar to cholestyramine as a bile sequestrant and help eliminate toxins as well as aid in liver and gallbladder detoxification. Astroman recommended the Jarrow brand. It's really cheap compared to most of the stuff I'm on and is in capsules, I believe. That might be something that can help you. You might have a hard time finding it in stores, but Amazon and iHerb sell it.

Mergirl
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   Posted 3/6/2018 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Walking,

I ordered a bunch of stuff and managed to forget to order that one. Knowing the brand to order makes it easier too.

Going to order that right now. Can't wait to try it.

Thanks again.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 3/6/2018 2:36 PM (GMT -6)   
geez, sorry to hear you are gong thru this, sounds very difficult

wish I had an answer for you

ONly thing I can say is that for mold people the best climate is a dry climate. Az, NM, Nev, Texas, So Cal, etc.

really hope things get better for you .

meanwhile I would second that d-limonene suggestion.

Mergirl
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   Posted 3/6/2018 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Lapis.

It was hard enough dealing with the lyme diagnosis, now to be homeless on top of it and reacting to God knows what wherever I go. I don't even have words right now.

I ordered the D liminone earlier. Wish I had it with me right now.

It would be hard for me to pick up and move west. I'm trying to at least wait until I have my appt with the mold/lyme specialist in May. Trying to find a safe place to stay until then.

This is so scary.

bluelyme
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   Posted 3/7/2018 2:43 AM (GMT -6)   
sorry so late to reply ...bees r cheep and effective comes to 30 or less a week ...i used and recommend this lil gut it has quite a wallop ..i even burned myself turning it up too much it charges with a phone usb ...and since plasma rifes are illegal in sa they use this

http://rifehealth.co.za.www34.jnb2.host-h.net/Products-and-Prices/Wave-4-Pulse/

ArtAngel
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   Posted 3/7/2018 2:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been researching mold illness. Nano silver - ACS200, Argentyn 23 and similar kill both mold and Lyme but it is pricey if you take it orally you are supposed to have 30ml - 1 oz a day. Oregano oil kills both lyme and mold and is a better option financially.

Mergirl
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   Posted 3/9/2018 7:32 AM (GMT -6)   
bluelyme said...
sorry so late to reply ...bees r cheep and effective comes to 30 or less a week ...i used and recommend this lil gut it has quite a wallop ..i even burned myself turning it up too much it charges with a phone usb ...and since plasma rifes are illegal in sa they use this

http://rifehealth.co.za.www34.jnb2.host-h.net/Products-and-Prices/Wave-4-Pulse/


Thanks bluelyme. I'll check this out. It's my understanding though that bee venom will not help mold illness and that mold needs to be treated first before lyme for any lyme treatment to work. Do you know if that's correct?

At this point, I strongly believe that I'm suffering more from mold illness than Lyme. Just basing it off symptoms and reactions I'm having to certain houses and buildings.

Mergirl
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   Posted 3/9/2018 7:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Raleighgirlie said...
modified citrus pectin I believe is the supplement version of cholestyramine. I am taking that right now and am feeling better (other than these viral infections I keep picking up).


Thanks Raleigh,

Just a couple questions if you don't mind.

Are you taking the MCP out of the moldy environment? I was taking it while still in and didn't notice any improvement with it in almost 3 months. I finally just left the place a month ago. I went through a whole bottle there but just ordered a new one hoping that maybe it would work better out of that place.

Do you get any herxing from it?


Thanks.
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