Throat Tightness with Any Medication and Herbal Supplement

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Justin01
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   Posted 2/27/2018 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
I have both Lyme disease and Bartonella, and I heard that either of those two can cause throat tightness and/or an occasional wheeze, and even labored breathing at times. The funny thing is that I tested negative regarding allergy testing for most of the medications that I thought was causing my throat to tighten and wheeze at times.

I feel like these two pathogens have made my body hypersensitive. I know they effected my neurological system (tremors throughout the day, which caused acid reflux as well, headaches, visual disturbances, ear pain, etc).

Anyone else have these systems as well? If so, what did you do to get rid of them? How long did it take for you? These issues have made it difficult for me to take antibiotics because it makes the throat tightness and occasional wheeze worse, even if I use a Delayed Release form of the medications or supplement capsule.

FYI: even when I take Lauricidin, mostly when I go up in dose too much, the throat tightness and a weird feeling in my upper respiratory tract (almost like a rattling, although the doctors never hear it) happens as well. This can happen with the antibiotics as well. I just want to get on a solid treatment program. It's so frustrating. To this point, I only been on antibiotics for about 1 1/2 months, and I couldn't even get up to half of the dosage that I need because of these this throat/breathing difficulty issue.

Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks.

Dahlias
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   Posted 2/27/2018 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
That sounds scary! It sounds like you have an allergist. What do they say about it? From what I understand, testing for drug allergies isn't very reliable. You tested positive for some medications though? How quickly does this happen after you take medications, and how long does it last?
"This too shall pass. It might pass like a kidney stone, but it will pass."

goshawk
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   Posted 2/27/2018 7:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Im sorry that you are having these symptoms , and yes other members here have had them also.

The time it takes to see improvement or have the symptoms go away is varied with each individual.

I will say that with continued treatment, detoxing , building your immune system, getting proper sleep all will help in your healing.

If the ABX are causing issues have you and your llmd considered starting slow with herbals to see if that may be a better path of treatment for you? When using tinctures you can control the dosage very easily and monitor how you do.

When you mention labored breathing , is it like you cant catch your breath, if so it could be a symptom of Babesia. Something to discuss with your llmd.

Well hang in there and others should be along with their input too.

Take care, Jo

Justin01
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   Posted 2/27/2018 7:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
That sounds scary! It sounds like you have an allergist. What do they say about it? From what I understand, testing for drug allergies isn't very reliable. You tested positive for some medications though? How quickly does this happen after you take medications, and how long does it last?



Hello Dahlias, you aren't kidding about being scary.

I've been around the medical field for years and haven't heard too many people get these type of symptoms, although I have heard about some. Seems to me that Bartonella and/or Lyme disease is causing the hypersensitivities. Also, I forgot to mention that my cortisol has been elevated since 09/15/2017 when this all came to a peak. Elevated cortisol can mess around with the immune system causing hypersensitivities and even allergies (high or low cortisol). The throat reaction can happen within 15 minutes to within 1 1/2 hours. Weird thing is that it happened after I took a PPI (Omeprazole) too. I tried it to stop the acid reflux, but wasn't a good choice. PPIs are 'azoles', meaning that they have some antimicrobial properties, that's why they can treat H.pylori. I'm saying this because it is more likely that I am causing a kill out of certain pathogens, whether it's the Bartonella and/or Lyme, and it may be this die-off that provokes a weird reaction (Herx, nerve dysfunction, etc.). Hence, the throat issues.

Sad thing is that I am getting kind of accustom to these reactions, but can't say comfortable. I may need to take an antihistamine without the decongestant (due to having P.O.T.S. from these crazy pathogens). Decongestants increase pulse rate. Had to go on an anti-anxiety medication to reduce the tremors, and it pretty much stopped the acid reflux too. Though, I don't want to be on these things too long (they are addicting).

I'll find a way to treat, one way or another. Thanks for your response.

Justin01
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   Posted 2/27/2018 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
goshawk said...
Hi Im sorry that you are having these symptoms , and yes other members here have had them also.

The time it takes to see improvement or have the symptoms go away is varied with each individual.

I will say that with continued treatment, detoxing , building your immune system, getting proper sleep all will help in your healing.

If the ABX are causing issues have you and your llmd considered starting slow with herbals to see if that may be a better path of treatment for you? When using tinctures you can control the dosage very easily and monitor how you do.

When you mention labored breathing , is it like you cant catch your breath, if so it could be a symptom of Babesia. Something to discuss with your llmd.

Well hang in there and others should be along with their input too.

Take care, Jo


Hello Goshawk,

I have started slowly on a natural protocol, but I have to go slow due to these reactions. Not sure it's Babesia since I don't have the night sweats, and other symptoms, but it could possibly be. The shortness of breath goes mostly away when I take an anti-anxiety medication, and I don't have anemia, so I'm guessing it may be more related to anxiety, but it's difficult to know with these things. Also, I hear Bartonella can cause shortness of breath as well. Have you heard that too? Thanks!

Dahlias
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   Posted 2/27/2018 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
An antihistamine sounds like a good idea. You're detoxing?

Mid-September 2017 was the onset of my biggest crisis too, for whatever that's worth.

I hope all of this eases up for you soon.
"This too shall pass. It might pass like a kidney stone, but it will pass."

WalkingbyFaith
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   Posted 2/27/2018 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Justin01,

I've had all the symptoms you mentioned at various times. I have Lyme and Bartonella, too. I've had some throat symptoms at various times but they were not constant or long term as it sounds like with you. I had some bad reflux issues for a while and would get throat pain, almost like a spasm pain. I've had that again in recent months during brief spells of herxing. I also have times when I feel "allergic," like lately the edge of my nose feels itchy sometimes when I'm eating and I wonder if I'm allergic to food. Many months ago, I had bouts of violent sneezing that lasted briefly. Also had bouts of itching, like when I first started Vit C. I thought I was allergic to Vit C. In actuality, I took way too much to start with.

I've had brief times when I felt tightness in my throat when not eating or taking anything, just kind of a weird feeling. Also had trouble swallowing at times. That was one of my first symptoms. Many of those episodes were long before I knew about Lyme or started any treatments. For me, the symptoms are random. I haven't found anything specific to address the throat issues and haven't had it as a primary symptom. I'm sure it is indeed very scary. Trying antihistamine sounds like a smart idea. If it works, then make sure to tell your doctor and allergist, as that would indicate it is an allergic type immune response.

I assume your doctor is aware of all this. If not, make sure to discuss it. Some people develop histamine intolerance or mast cell disorders (MCAS), which can be quite serious. If those are ruled out along with allergies, then you can probably assume it really is bartonella or Lyme.

I agree with you. I believe bartonella can also cause the breathing issues. I've read that in some medical descriptions.

k07
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   Posted 2/28/2018 8:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I get tightness and lump in my throat sensation. At times I can't stand anything touching my neck it will feel very uncomfortable. I *think* mine could be related to certain foods. Particularly eggs & bananas. I am sensitive to all kinds of things now.

Notime4lyme
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   Posted 2/28/2018 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I have bartonella, and my nose itches every time I eat anything- it doesn't seem to matter what I eat. I always have to keep a box of Kleenexes on the table.

I never knew bartonella could cause breathing issues. I've had asthma and wheezing that seemed to come and go for no reason. I tried some mimosa pudica and it seemed to help.

I had lumps in my throat and trouble swallowing a long time ago.

Justin01
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   Posted 2/28/2018 5:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Dahlias said...
An antihistamine sounds like a good idea. You're detoxing?

Mid-September 2017 was the onset of my biggest crisis too, for whatever that's worth.

I hope all of this eases up for you soon.



Hello Dahlias,

Yes, I have incorporated some detoxing methods, but not too much due to side effects (go figure - lol).

Basically, my whole diet is a detox. I have only eaten organic, gluten-free, dairy-free, egg-free, anti-inflammatory diet (no corn, soy, peppers, eggplants, potatoes, or tomatoes) for years. I eat beans, some fish each week, and green leafy vegetables, and some root and round vegetables. I only drink water. It's basically a Pescatarian diet. I take supplements as well, but I have been keep it to a minimum right now until I can gain some more ground.

As for the Mid-September thing, I'm suspecting it's related to an allergy thing because many people have ragweed and mold spore allergies without knowing, and the season starts in August. That could weaken your immune system, or at least distract it from the Lyme and co-infections.

Justin01
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   Posted 2/28/2018 6:19 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Justin01,

I've had all the symptoms you mentioned at various times. I have Lyme and Bartonella, too. I've had some throat symptoms at various times but they were not constant or long term as it sounds like with you. I had some bad reflux issues for a while and would get throat pain, almost like a spasm pain. I've had that again in recent months during brief spells of herxing. I also have times when I feel "allergic," like lately the edge of my nose feels itchy sometimes when I'm eating and I wonder if I'm allergic to food. Many months ago, I had bouts of violent sneezing that lasted briefly. Also had bouts of itching, like when I first started Vit C. I thought I was allergic to Vit C. In actuality, I took way too much to start with.

I've had brief times when I felt tightness in my throat when not eating or taking anything, just kind of a weird feeling. Also had trouble swallowing at times. That was one of my first symptoms. Many of those episodes were long before I knew about Lyme or started any treatments. For me, the symptoms are random. I haven't found anything specific to address the throat issues and haven't had it as a primary symptom. I'm sure it is indeed very scary. Trying antihistamine sounds like a smart idea. If it works, then make sure to tell your doctor and allergist, as that would indicate it is an allergic type immune response.

I assume your doctor is aware of all this. If not, make sure to discuss it. Some people develop histamine intolerance or mast cell disorders (MCAS), which can be quite serious. If those are ruled out along with allergies, then you can probably assume it really is bartonella or Lyme.

I agree with you. I believe bartonella can also cause the breathing issues. I've read that in some medical descriptions.



Hello WalkingbyFaith (great name btw),

How much Vit. C were you taking? I agree with going slow, but one can take a lot of Vit. C (6,000 - 15,000 mg or more per day) without any issues, although it really depends on the person. Buffered C is preferred, and of course IV Vit. C can be a lot better on the GI tract.

I actually have been studying up a lot on MCAS. I had my allergist write me a requisition form for a number of the various tests used to diagnose that issue. I do believe I've read that bartonella and/or Lyme can actually trigger that issue as well, but the good news is that it can be treated even though it may be difficult.

It is my belief that some of these pathogens can take all your emotions, and weaknesses you have and/or had in the past and amplify them a number of times. That's what I think is happening to me. I had allergies as a child, but when I changed my diet to Pescatarian, all organic foods, only water, and no inflammatory foods, all those allergy issues stopped. Then, I get Lyme disease and at least one co-infection, and bam! Some are now back. I'm still eating the same way, but these things weaken you. I will find a way to heal from these things, and I will be sure to help others and share what I learn/learned when I'm better. My belief is that the only real way to heal is to incorporate both conventional (if tolerated) and natural methods (nature knows best!), as well as bringing your mind into the right place and trusting in God (being the most important), though I'm not trying to push my religious beliefs on any of you.

Thanks to all on this site, and especially to all of you who are on this thread. Let me know if I could ever be of assistance to you. Thanks again.

Justin01
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   Posted 2/28/2018 6:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Notime4lyme said...
I have bartonella, and my nose itches every time I eat anything- it doesn't seem to matter what I eat. I always have to keep a box of Kleenexes on the table.

I never knew bartonella could cause breathing issues. I've had asthma and wheezing that seemed to come and go for no reason. I tried some mimosa pudica and it seemed to help.

I had lumps in my throat and trouble swallowing a long time ago.



Hello Notime4lyme,

See my comments to WalkingbyFaith with regard to how these pathogens can play to your weaknesses.
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