Micheal J. Fox - Lyme Disease 1997

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10LymeB
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   Posted 3/1/2018 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
I want to pass this around as much as possible. I found this and I think we all know Mike has Lyme. It's pretty obvious, but he's so deep into Parkinson's Research, it's probably hard to say, "Whoops!" - I think it would be great if he came out and said he's got Lyme and that Parkinsons is a result of Lyme Disease.

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFPbgJqLOEg&feature=youtu.be&t=19m10s&app=desktop#watch_actions

1000Daisies
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   Posted 3/1/2018 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I am confused on this. Did he get lyme disease around 1997 (date of Letterman show)? But didn't he start to have Parkinson's symptoms around 1991?
Can somebody confirm those dates?

I'm not doubting they could be related or lyme complicated his health. Or he got lyme previously.
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Hoagie
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   Posted 3/1/2018 1:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, Fox was diagnosed with Parkinson's in 91, but went public in 98. No doubt the Lyme stirred things up. I'll have to watch again, but did Fox say he had the rash? Dr J in DC is led to believe that a rash is a sign of prior exposure. So, Fox way have had an unknown previous infection that caused his Parkinson symptoms....

Girlie
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   Posted 3/1/2018 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I remember watching that interview with David Letterman...and found it really strange.
They talked about it for several minutes...and sort of in a joking manner.

I'm going to view it again.

He didn't actually say a bullseyes rash - I think he said a red spot...or something...I'll watch that part again.


He said: "You get a little red mark and you think it's a rash"
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 3/1/2018 1:06:23 PM (GMT-7)


thedogma
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   Posted 3/15/2018 12:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Girlie, I agree that it's strange. It was almost like foreshadowing to Michael's bigger problems. Like he knew it would cause a bigger problem? It was like a PSA, or something.

I miss the "old days", before I knew about this disease.

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   Posted 3/15/2018 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I think it was all caused by Lyme.

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   Posted 3/15/2018 12:44 PM (GMT -6)   
thedogma said...
Girlie, I agree that it's strange. It was almost like foreshadowing to Michael's bigger problems. Like he knew it would cause a bigger problem? It was like a PSA, or something.

I miss the "old days", before I knew about this disease.


I found it odd how much they bantered about it...very strange interview IMO.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

borrelioburgdorferii
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   Posted 3/15/2018 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Michael J Fox mentioned a house in Connecticut so that being Lyme hot spot, and I also think it is very significant to his Parkinson's symptoms, btw... Lou Gehrig had a house in Lyme, Connecticut iirc

and now that I think of it, someone who died recently of ALS (aka Lou Gehrig's disease) what if Stephen Hawking had got infected or bitten early in life with no rash or visible symptoms...?

just thinking with what we know now it's very possibly all vector-borne.

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   Posted 3/23/2018 9:17 PM (GMT -6)   
I was just watching CBS Sunday morning interview of Michael j fox (recent interview). The whole time he was talking about Parkinson's I was thinking nope lyme. Now to see him say he was bit by a tick.... I really wonder.

Hoagie
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   Posted 3/23/2018 9:46 PM (GMT -6)   
There must be so much support in the Parkinson's community that it must just be easier to go down that road.

Ben Petrick who was on Under our Skin had a lyme diagnosis and treated but did not get better. There was a more recent documentary I found on him and he speaks nothing of having lyme. It's just Parkinson's.

I mean, what Fox and Petrick have is technically Parkinson's. Maybe in their cases lyme was the catalyst. This is what makes this disease so difficult for most doctors to want to treat. No good testing, difficult diagnosis, difficult treatment, mimicks hundreds of other processes, and who knows if you will be healed once the process begins. I thank God for the doctors who take on this monster of a condition.

Lapis_29
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   Posted 3/23/2018 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
according to this guy parkinsons is the result of an infection that starts in the gut then works its way up the brain. So it could be lyme, but it could also be lots of other pathogens. INtriguing theory.


Somebody said...


For decades, medical students have been taught that Parkinson’s disease is primarily a movement disorder. Brain cells that play a key role in movement degenerate and die, causing tremor, stiffness, and other symptoms that can take years off people’s lives. “The old story is, ‘Parkinson’s hits the brain, god knows why,’” says Michael Zasloff, a medical researcher at Georgetown University Hospital. He remembers looking at slides of Parkinsonian brain tissue in medical school in the 1970s and seeing clearly that certain neurons had vanished.

But today Zasloff is building on recent work that suggests Parkinson’s does not, in fact, originate in the brain. Rather, in many cases it may begin in our stomach or intestines, largely as a response to infection. Clumps of toxic protein, triggered by the body’s own response to viruses or bacteria, may eventually travel along nerve cells, from the gut to the brain, over the course of many years.

If this new story is correct, a lot of other threads begin to come together. For one thing, it may explain why constipation and other forms of gastrointestinal distress are common early symptoms of Parkinson’s. It may also suggest new approaches to treatment, aimed at counteracting the disease in its early stages, before it has the chance to reach the brain. Zasloff and his colleagues are now conducting clinical trials of a synthetic compound that could prevent the build-up of toxic protein in neurons within the wall of the gut. (We have neurons in our guts as part of the “enteric nervous system,” which helps to control the gastrointestinal system.)

https://medium.com/neodotlife/zasloff-4f2b18a8002f




/medium.com/neodotlife/zasloff-4f2b18a8002f

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   Posted 3/23/2018 11:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Lapis_29 said...
according to this guy parkinsons is the result of an infection that starts in the gut then works its way up the brain. So it could be lyme, but it could also be lots of other pathogens. INtriguing theory.


Somebody said...


For decades, medical students have been taught that Parkinson’s disease is primarily a movement disorder. Brain cells that play a key role in movement degenerate and die, causing tremor, stiffness, and other symptoms that can take years off people’s lives. “The old story is, ‘Parkinson’s hits the brain, god knows why,’” says Michael Zasloff, a medical researcher at Georgetown University Hospital. He remembers looking at slides of Parkinsonian brain tissue in medical school in the 1970s and seeing clearly that certain neurons had vanished.

But today Zasloff is building on recent work that suggests Parkinson’s does not, in fact, originate in the brain. Rather, in many cases it may begin in our stomach or intestines, largely as a response to infection. Clumps of toxic protein, triggered by the body’s own response to viruses or bacteria, may eventually travel along nerve cells, from the gut to the brain, over the course of many years.

If this new story is correct, a lot of other threads begin to come together. For one thing, it may explain why constipation and other forms of gastrointestinal distress are common early symptoms of Parkinson’s. It may also suggest new approaches to treatment, aimed at counteracting the disease in its early stages, before it has the chance to reach the brain. Zasloff and his colleagues are now conducting clinical trials of a synthetic compound that could prevent the build-up of toxic protein in neurons within the wall of the gut. (We have neurons in our guts as part of the “enteric nervous system,” which helps to control the gastrointestinal system.)

https://medium.com/neodotlife/zasloff-4f2b18a8002f




/medium.com/neodotlife/zasloff-4f2b18a8002f


Very interesting. Dr Axe believes most diseases start in the gut, and that leaky gut is the catalyst for these diseases. He says the worst thing you can do to your gut is take antibiotics. I have been on the fence about this for a few weeks now. Earlier this week I had my mind made up that I was going to stop all abx and treat holistically with a strong focus on gut health. But, my LLMD talked me out of it. It's all so confusing. I give this protocol 2 more months, and if I don't see a step in the right direction, I'm going all holistic.

Thank you for that post.

claude783
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   Posted 3/24/2018 3:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I have suspected for a long time that Parkinsons, MS, and a host of other diseases might be from neuro-toxins being released from the lyme bacteria.

Many bacteria release toxins to suppress the immune system. Why not a toxin from Lyme.

I have also wondered if a test could be done that would confirm lyme disease by this toxin.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 3/24/2018 3:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I think it's important to know that lyme isn't the only pathogen that can wreck havoc on the body and cause these diseases (MS, AD, Parkinsons, AIDS). Certain viruses can also be more problematic than lyme itself.
Unfortunately, sometimes lyme gets the focus when it actually may be a different pathogen causing the issue (or combination of pathogens). Sometimes, we are just too narrowly-focused on lyme disease only, missing other problematic pathogens.

It's complicated.
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

borrelioburgdorferii
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   Posted 3/25/2018 2:24 AM (GMT -6)   
David Martz MD FTW! He was able to beat his ALS mis-diagnosis after finding out it was Lyme, he took ABX and got better. Colorado Springs, look it up.

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   Posted 3/25/2018 11:14 AM (GMT -6)   
claude783 said...

I have also wondered if a test could be done that would confirm lyme disease by this toxin.


Yes it would be great if we could identify the pathogens by simply isolating and identifying the toxins emitted by these pathogens into the bloodstream. After provoking a herxheimer reaction by ingesting certain bactericidal/antiviral/antifungal/antiparasitic substance that is.

It shouldn't be too difficult but nobody really does that.

Post Edited (insomniaaa) : 3/25/2018 10:35:23 AM (GMT-6)


borrelioburgdorferii
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   Posted 3/29/2018 9:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm guessing it's a by-product of metabolised toxins and/or bacteria that act on certain (feel bad) receptors, yes they exist. Some chemicals have been isolated to produce affect, like agonize or block receptors in a broad spectrum way, like SSRI's and I still think this is a "dirty" way of treating mood problems like "caffeine" and "alcohol" have the side effects of jitteriness or worse. There are so many psych meds available that even experts given known quantities could foul it up.

But I see your aim, this is very complex organic chemistry, precursors, multiple variables to consider, chemical reactions are difficult to predict sometimes.

I sometimes wonder if we will look back on this golden age of pharmacology and feel very foolish, the way we are starting to learn about sugar, aspartame, msg, flouride and the side effects/aftermath of what is was simply known as an "additive" or "sweetener."

insomniaaa said...
Yes it would be great if we could identify the pathogens by simply isolating and identifying the toxins emitted by these pathogens into the bloodstream. After provoking a herxheimer reaction by ingesting certain bactericidal/antiviral/antifungal/antiparasitic substance that is.

It shouldn't be too difficult but nobody really does that.


That would make a fine PhD dissertation.
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