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Aerose91
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   Posted 3/2/2018 9:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I can't take the tinctures anymore because of the histamines jn alcohol so i make tea now. However sida leaf is hard to find

1) elk mountain sells sida cordifola root. I know Buhner says cordifola can be used, but is the root of any sida plant useful? Or do we need the leaf

2) Does anyone know of a grower/harvester of sida in Florida? I know it grows native down here, and I'm in FL for the next few weeks so if there is someone down here i could get some directly. I looked it up but couldn't find anyone but Woodland Essense says they source from Florida

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   Posted 3/2/2018 9:18 PM (GMT -6)   
If the leaf is recommended, then I would use the leaf.

Have you tried other Buhner recommended sources?
I know they're listed in the back of the Bartonella book. If you don't have the book, I could look later for the suppliers that sell the whole herb (not tinctures/capsules)



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   Posted 3/2/2018 10:32 PM (GMT -6)   
I've switched between sida acuta and cordifolia root and noticed no difference. Look up local herbalists if you want to obtain some.

Aerose91
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   Posted 3/3/2018 4:52 PM (GMT -6)   
None of Buhner's sources sell the dried leaf. I'll look further into local herbalists

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   Posted 3/3/2018 5:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I think it's the root that you want and not the leaf. Or did I misunderstand something?

Aerose91
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   Posted 3/3/2018 6:27 PM (GMT -6)   
All the tinctures u get from woodland essence and sage woman, etc, are made with the leaf so i assumed i need leaf. Root i can find, leaf i cant

Rikky1
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   Posted 3/3/2018 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
sida acuta and cordifiola are the types of this plant that have pretty much all of the research done against so its best to stick with either one. you can use them interchangeably.

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   Posted 3/4/2018 4:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Aerose91 said...
All the tinctures u get from woodland essence and sage woman, etc, are made with the leaf so i assumed i need leaf. Root i can find, leaf i cant


I'm not an expert. Ill have to double check in Buhner's book to see if he recommends the sida leaves or the roots.

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   Posted 3/4/2018 5:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Have you tried 1st Chinese Herbs?

I don’t know if they sell leaf.. or root and if they have Sida Acuta,
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Aerose91
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   Posted 3/4/2018 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
Have you tried 1st Chinese Herbs?

I don’t know if they sell leaf.. or root and if they have Sida Acuta,


They don't unfortunately. Elk Mountain Herbs is the only one i can find who sells sida but it's cordifola root. Im not sure if the root is suitable

Aerose91
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   Posted 3/4/2018 11:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Rikky1 said...
sida acuta and cordifiola are the types of this plant that have pretty much all of the research done against so its best to stick with either one. you can use them interchangeably.


I'm cool with cordifola, or any other sida plant really. I just don't know if the root is interchangable with the leaf

NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 3/4/2018 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
For sida acuta, in the making of tinctures, the book says to use dried leaf. For teas, powdered leaf.

I do not see cordifolia listed in the index, and I'm not going to dig through the book, I apologize. I don't know how the two compare to one another. I've never stopped to think about it.

I'm seeing a lot of leaf recommended, without mention of the root, so it's probably safer to assume they're not interchangeable.

Then again, I'm not an herbalist. I couldn't begin to tell you how or why the two differ greatly. It's the same plant. The constituents would have to travel up to the leaves from the roots, right? So, you'd think the benefits would be similar. Though, maybe the leaves' interaction with the environment (sunlight, gas exchange) changes the way those constituents work for medicinal purposes.

I mean, it's all one organism. Though, I guess there's a reason why, maybe a poor example, people kill elephants just for the tusks. Different parts of the same organism have varying levels of significance. My brain does things my liver doesn't. You could apply that to plants, on some level, I suppose.

Sorry, just thinking out loud. Don't mind me.

Really interesting and confusing stuff that my brain's not gonna get into today.

Post Edited (NotQuiteAntonio) : 3/4/2018 11:54:19 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 3/4/2018 6:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, I dug out my Buhner's "Herbal Antibiotics" book and looked up Sida. It's really quite an interesting herb!

He states: " There are 125, or 150 or 200 species of the genus Sida"

"The main medicinal species that has been studied is Sida acuta. However, as research has deepened on this species, other sidas are coming to light as similarly potent, particularly S. rhombifolia and S. cordifolia. Two other species, S. tiagii and S. spinosa, have not been studied as extensively, but their traditional uses and some research indicate they may possess the same medicinal actions.

Given the potency of some of this genus, it makes sense for more research to occur. As far as I can determine, little had been done along this line, but it may well be that many sidas contain similar constituents. If so, given their wide range, they would be one of the world's most accessible systemic herbal antibacterials."

Parts used:
"The whole plant - roots, leaves, stesm, seeds. Most people tend to just use the aerial parts for the simplicity of harvest and ecological soundness. More practically, harvesting the root of a mature plant in this genus is as difficult as conveying to a politician the meaning of the word integrity. It's a tough root to dig up." (remember, his words, not mine! LOL!)

Buhner goes on to say: " The tincture and the hot water extreact are the strongest medicinal forms of sida for internal use. The plant can be prepared as powder, capsules, tea, or alcohol tincture. Most people use the leaves."

I hope that helps some!
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Woodduck12
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   Posted 3/4/2018 6:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Is sida a bio film buster as well?

Rikky1
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   Posted 3/4/2018 9:04 PM (GMT -6)   
i've read somewhere that sida is a mild biofilm buster. in fact many of the herbs buhner recommends have biofilm busting and prevention capabilities that's why he doesn't specifically give you a biofilm buster in his protocols.
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