CBD and Babesia herx?

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hammer8
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   Posted 3/6/2018 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I believe that babesia is my biggest issue and have been hitting it hard for several months with coartem, clindamycin, primaquine, and herbals. I no longer really herx from treatments, except for slight air hunger after coartem. I have also been feeling 90% lately, and in general, only feel excessively bad if on meds. In the past, I have had extreme herxes from both flagyl and CSA, and both times I experienced severe cognitive issues as well as knee pain.

Last Sunday, I started taking CBD oil. Started out with 20mg under my tongue. The next day, I experienced many of the cognitive symptoms I generally associate with babesia herxing. I thought it could have been from the coartem, so I continued CBD for the next two nights. By Wednesday, I felt AWFUL. Worse than I've felt in months. Depersonalization, brain fog, inability to read, etc. I stopped CBD on Thursday and have been detoxing heavily with saunas and IV glutathione, but I still feel awful.

I believe 1 of 3 things could have happened:
1) Had a delayed herx from some other babesia medicine. In general, I herx the same day as taking treatment, so I doubt this
2) I am herxing from CBD, but why it is causing babesia symptoms, I am not sure
3) CBD suppressed my immune system, and the infection strengthened. I have not heard of this happening, but have read papers saying that CBD can lower immune function. It should be noted that this is far worse than I felt before starting meds.

The only other thing of interest is that when I first got sick, I had a lot of PVCs (irregular heartbeats) These went away even prior to starting treatment. However, I tried CBD one night, and the next morning I had PVCs again, and these have not gone away since. I had not put the two together until now.

I am in a bad spot and would love to hear any advice you guys have. Thanks!!!

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   Posted 3/6/2018 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
hammer8 - I did a quick read...as I'm due for an appointment.

But CBD oil can hit lyme. Retired Dr. E. Murakami and Dr. Eva Sapi did research it and found this to be true in vitro.

Possible you have lyme as well as babs.

Or, perhaps it is hitting the babesia.
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hammer8
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   Posted 3/6/2018 3:37 PM (GMT -6)   
It's certainly possible, but the symptoms are more in line with my babesia flares/herxes and I have never herxed from anything lyme specific, including bicillin, doxy, mino.

acarined
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   Posted 3/6/2018 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Here's a study that found it useful in the treatment of malaria in mice. CBD is said to be immunosuppressive, but I can't find any info about real world effects.

hammer8
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   Posted 3/6/2018 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Why are people advocating CBD for Lyme if it is immunosuppressive? Seems like it would always lead to poor results.
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