Bartonella + Candida + other unknow parasites

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edgaroo
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   Posted 3/8/2018 7:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi guys i suffer from bartonella and candida both driving me crazy i need some tips...


What beter is to heal first ? lyme,bart then candida or maybe let down antibiotics for a while and use some herbs and probiotics to repopulate gut

ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/8/2018 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Pursue the fungus. I believe Bartonella is getting too much credit for way to many symptoms. But if there is one thing we all can agree on is that it is very difficult to clear.

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Maru
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   Posted 3/8/2018 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I also second edgaroo's opinion.

Go for the Candida first. It's usually faster and easier to treat. Plus it makes your other symptoms worse. I think you'll notice the change quickest that way.

My LLMD was recommending Candida first, then Bartonella, then Borrelia.

You may need to treat Candida off and on throughout your antibiotic treatment.
Borrelia, Bartonella, maybe mycoplasma. Babesia gone. Started treatment Nov 2016

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Rikky1
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   Posted 3/8/2018 3:53 PM (GMT -6)   
When I brought up Bartonella being my main problem with Dr. J in DC he said yeah its there and we'll clean it up later. He's of the opinion babesia is a far bigger problem than bart.

I know we have Dr. M the Bart guru and those that say bart is tougher to treat than other pathogens and that may be true for some but i tend to agree with other posters here that overall its not as big of a problem as other infections.

Make sure you don't have babesia that can blocking healing other infections.
Best way to nail bart IMO is the rifamycin class of meds.

1000Daisies
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   Posted 3/8/2018 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, clearly with my battle of the systemic chronic yeast infection for years, I recommend not underestimating the power of yeast problems!

However, I'm not convinced bartonella isn't as big of a player as babesia personally. I'd love to read some links/references to further explain why people believe this.

Considering testing is flawed and we don't have good, reliable testing for these coinfections, I think it's often times a guessing game of which infection we have and which one is giving us issues (and which one is giving us which symptom). There is so much overlap with symptoms.

Having said that, I'm positive for lyme (but really not that sick from it) but didn't see any real improvement going after the lyme. However, when I went after the yeast, I saw major improvements in my most concerning symptoms at the time. Unfortunately, I don't think many doctors are giving yeast problems the attention they deserve!

Taking abx is going to be tough if you are already dealing with yeast issues.
Is there any reason why you can't go after yeast AND take herbals at the same time for bartonella? You can always switch to abx later after the yeast is under control?
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   Posted 3/8/2018 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Rikky1 said...
When I brought up Bartonella being my main problem with Dr. J in DC he said yeah its there and we'll clean it up later. He's of the opinion babesia is a far bigger problem than bart.

I know we have Dr. M the Bart guru and those that say bart is tougher to treat than other pathogens and that may be true for some but i tend to agree with other posters here that overall its not as big of a problem as other infections.

Make sure you don't have babesia that can blocking healing other infections.
Best way to nail bart IMO is the rifamycin class of meds.


Does anyone understand WHY Dr J or any other doctor believes babesia is the problem? Is this true when the majority of symptoms, including responses to treatment, seem to indicate bartonella? I'm taking herbs that hit both bart and babs and I have yet to trigger any symptom response that screams babesia to me. Of course, I've read numerous descriptions of the coinfection symptoms by various experts and some of them seem to completely flip the two.

Maru
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   Posted 3/8/2018 6:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not sure why many doctors focus on Babesia first before other infections. The only medical literature I've seen discusses Borrelia and Babesia together affecting the length of treatment and severity of symptoms. Maybe it's due to Babesia's ability to cause damage to organs like the heart, liver, and spleen?

This is definitely something I want to ask my doctor next time. He focused on my Babesia first but I assumed that's because I presented with mostly Babesia symptoms.

WalkingbyFaith - One of my parents has Lyme and co-infections. They were treated for Babesia but eventually stopped because it didn't seem to have any response both good or bad. Now, it seems likely they never had Babesia and didn't need the medication. They were put on the meds as a precaution even though they never had Babesia type symptoms. Do you have symptoms of Babesia?

I also agree with 1000Daisies that Candida should never be underestimated!

For the first 7 months of my treatment, I never took anything to prevent a Candida overgrowth. I wish I was aware of this and took something sooner because now my gut often needs help. I even had to stop antibiotics and supplements for awhile because my gut was so wrecked.
Borrelia, Bartonella, Mitochondrial Dysfunction, maybe Mycoplasma. Babesia gone. Started treatment Nov 2016

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   Posted 3/8/2018 7:32 PM (GMT -6)   
WalkingbyFaith said...
Rikky1 said...
When I brought up Bartonella being my main problem with Dr. J in DC he said yeah its there and we'll clean it up later. He's of the opinion babesia is a far bigger problem than bart.

I know we have Dr. M the Bart guru and those that say bart is tougher to treat than other pathogens and that may be true for some but i tend to agree with other posters here that overall its not as big of a problem as other infections.

Make sure you don't have babesia that can blocking healing other infections.
Best way to nail bart IMO is the rifamycin class of meds.


Does anyone understand WHY Dr J or any other doctor believes babesia is the problem? Is this true when the majority of symptoms, including responses to treatment, seem to indicate bartonella? I'm taking herbs that hit both bart and babs and I have yet to trigger any symptom response that screams babesia to me. Of course, I've read numerous descriptions of the coinfection symptoms by various experts and some of them seem to completely flip the two.


I think it's because of the years of treating and seeing patterns. He has been at this for many years. I'm thinking it must be at least 15 years. He also is an Infectious Disease Dr. (And was one of the first Dr.'s to treat HIV/Aids patients and developed the pulsed protocol with them. Even if the majority of symptoms indicate bartonella, he still treats Babesia.
Also, lots of overlap with symptoms. I think it's Dr. J. who said that the CNS issues can also be babesia...so I've all along been thinking my nerve pain is bart...but maybe it's not.

Dr. H. also talks about asymptomatic babesia. He had a patient in a wheelchair...treated her for lyme (and also bart, I think) = she had no symptoms of babesia...Then he treated her for babs...and in a very short time she was out of the wheelchair.

My thoughts are: You can spend years treating one or two of the infections - say for instance Lyme and Bart...and not get well...and then maybe finally treat babs -

...or you can not waste any time and treat all three in a timely manner - like a year or two.

So the way I see it - Not treating something and continuing to be ill isn't good either. The longer it goes, the more I lose hope...so for me..I wish i had treated babesia a couple years ago... And in the long run, I will be on pharmaceuticals much longer postponing the babesia treatment.
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Post Edited (Girlie) : 3/8/2018 5:38:28 PM (GMT-7)


edgaroo
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   Posted 3/14/2018 4:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Well the main porpush of treating candida first is that i cant absorb vitamins and minerals , to fight infection. all is taken by the yeast...
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