Can you live off this stuff?

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Serfr
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   Posted 3/8/2018 11:03 AM (GMT -6)   
/www.vitacost.com/garden-of-life-raw-organic-meal-vanilla
Anyone else drink this? It has all the crap you need i think. Dont have the energy to fix a meal, and dont feel as bad afterwards, like i do with real food. Made me almost feel normal. I ate like crap when i was healthy anyway.
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

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   Posted 3/8/2018 12:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, it is a meal replacement...


What about taking it, but adding in a few vegetables and fruits? Even if it's just a few raw carrots.....and an apple ....etc.?
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countingstarsx
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   Posted 3/8/2018 1:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know if you can live off of that product in particular, but there are people who go on liquid diets. One that SIBO sufferers go on is called the elemental diet. You can make the drink yourself, or order it (but I think you need a prescription). It will cause a significant die off, and its a really rough diet to tolerate.

Serfr
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   Posted 3/8/2018 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
I also eat some coconut oil with it (is coconut oil good for nervous system?) because that drink mix has no fat. I only weigh 110 lbs. i really dont know what im doing. I must have leaky gut, because i just ate some real food(chicken , broc, yam, cauliflower) ,tiny portions, and afterwards,i got a rushing wave of vertigo. A skinny person who cant eat.
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/8/2018 4:46 PM (GMT -6)   
That stuff looks amazing. How does it taste?

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The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/8/2018 5:57 PM (GMT -6)   
My personal opinion is that trying to live on that product is a bad idea. Replacing an occasional meal should be fine, but I sure wouldn't try to live off that and coconut oil.

One serving/scoop of that power is 115 calories. Assume another 80 calories for a cup of non-dairy beverage with which to mix it. That's 195 calories.

Let's further assume you need a diet of around 1,950 calories, to make the math easy. That means you would need approximately 10 servings/scoops per day to get your calorie needs met.

Ten servings/scoops per day multiplied by 28 days in the shortest month equals 280 servings per month.

There's 28 servings in a container, so you would need to consume 10 of these per month.

$44.09 per container x 10 containers per month = $440.90 per month.

That's just looking at it from the economic angle.

My bigger concern is this powder is NOT the same as eating food.

Supplement manufacturers will never be able to say their products are equivalent to whole foods. They may claim a supplement is "food-based" or "food state," but it's not the same as a whole, unprocessed food.

Just think of how many vitamins are in a "good" multivitamin. How do they get that long list of vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients into just one or two capsules? It's because they are isolated compounds that we call vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients.

If an entire orange has 85 mg of Vitamin C, then how can that multivitamin have 100 mg, 200 mg, 500 mg, or more ... along with high amounts of all those other compounds? They are not the same.

That's just my opinion. Whatever you choose, I wish you the best.

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   Posted 3/8/2018 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
looks ok

I would just add an omega 3 source like DHA capsules, at least 2/day

Serfr
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   Posted 3/8/2018 6:58 PM (GMT -6)   
It tastes good! But like Dude said, i dont think i will live off of it. But it did give me boosts of energy through the day when i needed it (shoveling snow, going for a walk) I drink small amounts thru the day, not the recommended 8 ounces at once. It was recommended (and sold) to me by a naturopath i saw a few times, but couldnt afford to keep going. I still feel like crap, but i have to say i felt the best i felt in a long time. Maybe only because i put something into my stomach for a change that wasnt rabbit food.
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

Post Edited (Serfr) : 3/8/2018 7:24:42 PM (GMT-7)


The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/8/2018 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I think you're wise to not rely too heavily on meal-replacements, Serfr.

Considering you're only 110 lbs. (~50 kg) -- and, in light of your "rabbit food" comment -- it seems you don't eat enough calories. Not eating enough calories can certainly cause the low energy you're suffering.

Before my most recent bout with health issues, four years ago, I was able to go 12, 16, 18, or more hours between meals. Now, I'm lucky to make it six hours.

I don't try to go so long between meals, mind you, but I sometimes get sucked into YouTube, this Forum, or other activities for long periods of time. So, I lose track of time and forget to eat. But, I'm quickly reminded to eat, when I finally stand-up!

While not really "food," I usually keep several LÄRABAR snack bars on-hand, for those times I either don't have anything already prepared or don't have any food in the house and I need to go shopping or pick-up something ready-to-eat. Otherwise, I'll be faint/lightheaded, when trying to drive somewhere.

I like the Apple Pie flavor. www.larabar.com/our-products/larabar/apple-pie It gives me 200 calories and a boost of 18 grams of sugar. If I eat one and wait about 10-15 minutes, that's often enough to get me to a grocery store or restaurant and back home without having an issue.

Of course, it would be better if I didn't wait so long between meals and/or would have food prepared in advance. Especially since I have a pressure cooker that greatly reduces cooking time and trouble.

Anyway, if you're under-eating calories, I hope it's purely unintentional (i.e. not an eating disorder) and you can become more aware of it and take some corrective/preventative measures.

Remember calorie density:

Food -------------- Calories per Pound
Vegetables --------- 100
Fruit ---------------- 300
Unrefined Carbs --- 500
Legumes ----------- 600
Fatty Protein ----- 1,000
Refined Carbs ---- 1,400
Junk Food -------- 2,300
Oil/Fat ------------ 4,000

Source: /youtu.be/0CdwWliv7Hg?t=41m27s
A more detailed chart can be found at bit.ly/2FCUbFr.

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   Posted 3/9/2018 1:10 AM (GMT -6)   
ahem....did you say apple pie flavor? mmmmm. my favorite pie. well, maybe blueberry is.


I sometimes will cook enough food for two dinners ...but then what happens is my husband eats more than he should...and there isn't enough leftovers for the second day....and I have to listen to him complain about overeating.

Can't win.

Good idea though...if I could lock the fridge.
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
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   Posted 3/9/2018 1:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I wonder if this would help? smile

/www.amzn.com/B0131KHQCK

Or, just buy a container of some food your husband absolutely hates, toss the contents, and put your leftovers in it.

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   Posted 3/9/2018 1:43 AM (GMT -6)   
The Dude Abides said...
I wonder if this would help? smile

/www.amzn.com/B0131KHQCK

Or, just buy a container of some food your husband absolutely hates, toss the contents, and put your leftovers in it.


Lol... Dude tongue

Not sure about that lock box - the one review was not a rave one


“Easy to assemble. Responsive seller. However, the first lock broke within a few weeks. The replacement arrived with a rusty lock. Great product idea, poor execution.”
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Serfr
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   Posted 3/9/2018 9:03 AM (GMT -6)   
"I like the Apple Pie flavor. www.larabar.com/our-products/larabar/apple-pie It gives me 200 calories and a boost of 18 grams of sugar. If I eat one and wait about 10-15 minutes, that's often enough to get me to a grocery store or restaurant and back home without having an issue."

Dude Abides, is that much processed sugar ok?
Tried abx and iv abx for 2 yrs, now trying herbs; Chronic Tonic (bottled) CSA formula, JK, Houttunia, Andrographis, Cats Claw, Oil of Oregano
Sx Aug '13-
Extreme fatigue, dizziness, head pressure, 1 seizure, ringing ears, crawling sensations everywhere, throat pain, groin pain, very cold hands/feet, joint pain, sole pain, body/muscle spasms, teeth/gum pain, constipation, depression, panic attacks

The Dude Abides
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   Posted 3/9/2018 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, it seems fine for me. Personally, I don't avoid the natural sugar that comes with fruit. For what it's worth, that 18 grams of sugar is not added sugar - it's mostly from the dates that are the base ingredient in the bar, as well as some from the apples and raisins.

Ingredients: Dates, Almonds, Unsweetened Apples, Walnuts, Raisins, Cinnamon

While not much, there's also 4 grams of fiber, to somewhat help minimize the blood sugar response. I certainly wouldn't live on them or eat too many of them. For me, they're sorta "Emergency Use Only."

I know there's a lot of hysteria around sugar today. Although I try to minimize added, processed sugar, overall, I don't restrict fruits/vegetables (carbohydrates) or items made from them. I eat dried fruits, at times, which are quite high in sugar. I also have a juicer that I occasionally use to juice oranges, carrots, and apples. Once or twice a year, I might have a bottle of a good root beer like Virgil's or Abita.

But, that's just me. Others may have a legitimate, medical need to restrict their diets.

After spending several years on Low-Carb and Paleo/Primal diets, I've found little benefit in restricting specific items or groups of foods (e.g. carbohydrates) from my diet. The one exception would be shrimp, as I have a shellfish allergy. I'm also lucky, I guess, that I don't eat or crave things like doughnuts, ice cream, or deep-fried items that can be difficult for some people to shun. I ate plenty of those things (and more!) in my younger years, but it's now pretty easy to pass on them.

Again, this is my own personal experience and opinion! smile
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