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ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/8/2018 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
First and foremost correct the source of the mold. You cannot combat mold when conditions remain that will promote new growth. Do not ignore the leaky roof or other areas where water will continue to collect.

REMOVE the mold or remove yourself from the moldy home. This task is best left to someone who is not sensitive to mold. Damaged drywall, insulation, and other obviously mold contaminated porous items must be replaced. If it is spongy and large, like carpet, throw it out because you wont be able to decontaminate it.

Some mold Horror Stories are available here:
http://www.toxic-black-mold-syndrome.com/MOLDSTORIES.html

There are ways to clean semi porous items such as wood and tile but they do not involve bleach which is mostly water and will promote regrowth. There is a way to clean books and other small items that I will cover below.

We have ordered several HEPA filters and will attempt to remove the residual mold first as this has been helping with inflammation.

My current levels of inflammation are directly tied the amount of mold spores inhaled. I proven this to myself beyond a doubt by carrying a HEPA unit keeping it 5 feet from me into every room I am in and experienced a significant reduction in inflammation.

The following are the most reasonably priced units with the most extensive and relative features I could locate. We ordered 3 to use in addition to the smaller units we now have. When they arrive the smaller units will go into rooms less frequented.

airpodcleaner.com/Products.htm (Note: the company made good on my previous issue. I am happy with the quality of these.)

These units filter to 1 micron. More info on these units: https://aliveairpurifier.com/alive-air-video-help/

If anyone comes across a unit that cleans more air volume faster (please let me know) this would be the only reason to justify spending more.

Stop new mold blooms using Concrobium Mold Control Spray (or similar made with Thyme Oil) which crushes the spores, kills them, and prevents regrowth. This is best done with a cold fogging machine to get full coverage and saturate hard to reach areas. We used one identical to this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SILVER-BULLET-TRIPLE-JET-FOGGER-ULV-NON-THERMAL-COLD-FOGGER-PEST-MOLD-MOSQUITO/352296234413?hash=item52067dedad:g:eXIAAOSwEeFVTnEh

I walk the fogger and spray the ceiling tile (PVC which may need to be replaced but may not provide a full solution) which is the most susceptible location for new mold blooms in my home. This saves money on the liquid itself as the fogger set to medium will go through a gallon in a very short time.

I do not worry about breathing the fog in as it is made with non toxic essential oils is not nearly as toxic as the mold I have breathed in to date. You can wear an N95 mask while applying.

If you see a mold bloom in the home, you can use the spray bottle of Concrobium to trap and stop the mold quickly, but if you are in a mold sick building the fogger and re-treatments are essential. We find once every 3 months is mandatory.

Check areas where mold is likely. HVAC systems are common harbors of mold. Other areas in the link below.

/www.houselogic.com/organize-maintain/home-maintenance-tips/unexpected-places-mold-can-hide/

If you have a large mold problem you will need more than a diffuser of essential oils.

If you find mold, please do not disturb the mold and spread it's spores everywhere. You must hit it with the Concrobium and then after it is wet and has dried, you can physically clean it. Wear an N95 mask.

A negative air pressure machine (a.k.a. air scrubber) with a HEPA filter will remove large amounts of mold from the home but not all. You may be able to rent one for the initial cleanup. Competent remediation companies will use these machines.

Installing an attic fan in our home created just enough negative air pressure to spread spores from floor to ceiling. I dont recommend this until after you remediate your home.

You may have to resort to one of the two following methods for spores trapped in hard to reach areas that will be reintroduced into the indoor environment by air movement.

Ozone is a risky proposition as it can break down the mold into volatile organic compounds (VOC's) that may now be too small to be trapped in the HEPA filter. The amount of ozone it will take will be toxic during treatment.

It will take a commercial ozone machine and enough fan power to have it reach into every crevasse. It remains controversial to remediating mold. You can do damage to clothing and carpeting once there are no toxins in the air and it will leave decimated mold dust everywhere.

If you desire to use ozone you will need a commercial generator like this plus a fan. This generates more than half of the $80 unit I bought. The price goes up with the amount of ozone generated.

/www.ebay.com/itm/New-Commercial-Ozone-Generator-Industrial-Air-Purifier-Mold-Mildew-Smoke-odor/302656045862?epid=1049140573&hash=item4677b4c326:g:uZ4AAOSwQglamJUu

Ozone to clean smaller precious but porous items may salvage some of your possessions as you can then air out the VOC's outdoors. The following is a link to a company that sells a chamber device sold for use with their medical ozone machine.

This is not a commercial ozone machine but a medical one. You will likely find ozone treatments valuable to healing once exposed as your CO2 levels will probably be high as a result. Rectal insufflation is 95% effective as autohemotherapy and can be done easily at home. This is the lowest price unit I have been able to locate and have one on the way along with most of the accessories as they are reasonably priced too!

drosolutions.com/

Chlorine Dioxide is another gas that will near sterilize the home. Also toxic in the gas form. The house must be sealed and the gas must remain inside for 8-12 hours and then be vented. C. globosum colonies will survive and colonies of S. chartarum were still toxic after treatment. If you are a Pub Med geek like me then you can read all about it here:

/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1214660/

This company sells water activated Chlorine Dioxide treatment for commercial use only:

http://www.pureline.com/clo2-generation/purevista/

Any leads to similar products offered by different suppliers would be appreciated.

Mold loves humidity and water. Combined with dust this can provide all of the nutrients mold needs to thrive on inorganic surfaces. Living near a dormant volcano, this is the dustiest area I have ever lived in.

The following is a link to a dehumidifier with HEPA filter. I do not own one of these units yet and would like to find a cheaper one or modify (cram a HEPA filter into the slim dust filter chamber) the dehumidifier I already have. Without the HEPA filter it will spread the spores all around the home.

/www.allergybuyersclub.com/pure-and-dry-hepa70-dehumidifier-hepa-air-purifier.html

I want you to seriously consider that your Lyme may originate with mold even if you think you dont live in a mold prone area.

I was bit by plenty of ticks as a child but only experienced Lyme like symptoms after known exposure to mold. By the time I figured out mold was making me sick, I was very ill.

Mold is everywhere even in dry climates and all it takes is a little water from the least expected hidden place in your home (have someone inspect the HVAC !!!) and some extended negligence to have a house filled with spores and obtain all of the symptoms associated with Lyme and even Morgellons.

HOAGIE here at Healing Well introduced me to a great product that can be installed in the HVAC to kill mold, bacteria, and viruses. More info in link that follows:

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKk56jRRvJY

Fortunately we do not have a HVAC system as the temperature remains between 55 and 82 year round. We pay double what you do in the states for electricity per kilowatt hour, but we use only a fraction resulting in bills less than 1/3 of the monthly cost in the states.

Our molds originated from small leak in the roof, which is now fixed but the contamination is far and wide and the problem ongoing.

Once you become saturated with spores and systemically infected you will get bit by all kinds of insects that prefer to feed on fungus as you will be a walking buffet. Infected insects can inject parasitical larvae along with bacteria. Bacteria compete with fungus for food so that too will likely follow.

I speak from experience on all of this but am fortunate enough to know what caused my issues and I will keep you up to date on our progress going forward.

The good news is you can get better once you address the source if mold is at the core of your Lyme. I believe it is more common than one might suspect. Health restoring supplement info is in the resources link as well as what mold does to your health. Additional links with key information will be posted in this thread.

Links provided free of any strings or affiliations for my family here at healing well. That will change by the time this reaches my blog.

Some of my favorite resources follow below (more will be added shortly):

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/the-root-causes-of-mold-problems-msh-sirt1-socs3-and-hypoxia/#Hypoxia_and_Mold_Illness

http://www.herbaltransitions.com/TreatmentOfCIRS.html

https://deansilvermd.com/mold-and-biotoxin-illness/


**The medical ozone machine linked above has arrived, looks new, and is a steal at $259 (tank pending). Feel free to wait until I get the tank, try it, and review. They are an seller on Amazon as well, so its likely all good.

2014 Mold Sick,2015 Clinical Lyme and co.,2016 Morgellons,2017 Remission
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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 4/24/2018 5:49:28 PM (GMT-6)


goshawk
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   Posted 3/8/2018 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow thanks for all this information!!!!

Girlie
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   Posted 3/8/2018 6:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Chicken - Thank you for spending the time to post all this...wow!


I haven't gone down the mold road yet...well...maybe a bit - sent my husband up to the attic to inspect for mold..or dampness..
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Hoagie
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   Posted 3/8/2018 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you chickenarise!

It is because of you that I may be on a road to recovery. As I told chickenarise in an email, I recently had my crawlspace and HVAC inspected for mold. A ton. I thought the mold was in some of the duct work. But most of it is in the central system under the house. I have a guy coming out next Thursday. He and another guy will be replacing the entire system. They will also be installing the air detoxer in the system that chickenarise posted a link to above. I am not running the HVAC until it gets replaced. It's been a little chilly at nights. But, we have been running a couple space heaters in the house, and that has been doing the trick.

After I replace the HVAC system, I will be renting a fogger and fogging the entire house with concrobium. The mold in the crawlspace (besides the HVAC unit) was removed, insulation replaced, leaks fixed, and a vapor barrier installed last month. But, I am also going to be hitting the crawlspace with the fogger as well. After we do all this, we are washing every single piece of fabric in our house with a mold killing add-in in the washer. The only thing to replace after that is our carpet. But, since I have had to go on short term disability, funds have become tight. And, replacing the HVAC is putting me in a tough spot. But, it is worth getting rid of all that mold. The carpet will have to wait for another day.

There is little doubt in my mind that it has been the combo of mold and the tick bite that has caused my deterioration. I feel that my body cannot effectively deal with the Lyme/coinfections die off and the mycotoxins at the same time. And this is why I feel I have not seen any progress.

I have not turned on the heater/air conditioning for a week now and I feel better. My wife says she has been feeling better as well.

Again...Thank you, Thank you, Thank you chickenarise!

Girlie
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   Posted 3/8/2018 7:29 PM (GMT -6)   
That's great news, Hoagie!



hey - could you see the mold in the crawlspace? (You've got me thinking again)


My husband says it's very dry in our crawl space...and no signs of mold. We don't smell mold in any rooms in our house either.
But, does he have to open up and check the furnace ducting?
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

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   Posted 3/8/2018 7:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Awesome news, Hoagie!

Well-done, ChickenArise! You're amazing!

ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/8/2018 8:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie said...
...The only thing to replace after that is our carpet...


Wouldnt it be nice if you pulled up that carpet and there was a nice hardwood floor underneath it ?

Life should always be full of nice surprises !

You're welcome Hoagie, I am glad I could be of help.

And thank you everyone for all of the kind words!

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   Posted 3/9/2018 1:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Girlie said...
That's great news, Hoagie!



hey - could you see the mold in the crawlspace? (You've got me thinking again)


My husband says it's very dry in our crawl space...and no signs of mold. We don't smell mold in any rooms in our house either.
But, does he have to open up and check the furnace ducting?


Yes.. the mold was definitely visible. I had a couple leaks down there which were the main cause. They have been fixed. I will be inspecting the crawlspace frequently from now on. I would eventually like to get a dehumidifier down there.

If you cant see or smell mold, and it's dry, I'd say you are good. Mold is everywhere anyway. It's the overabundance that causes the major issues.

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   Posted 3/9/2018 1:40 AM (GMT -6)   
ChickenArise said...
Hoagie said...
...The only thing to replace after that is our carpet...


Wouldnt it be nice if you pulled up that carpet and there was a nice hardwood floor underneath it ?

Life should always be full of nice surprises !

You're welcome Hoagie, I am glad I could be of help.

And thank you everyone for all of the kind words!


How I wish! But, unfortunately not.

I'm looking into getting a couple dehumidifiers for inside my house and ine for my crawl space. That should help out alot in ultrahumid North Carolina.

ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/14/2018 12:17 AM (GMT -6)   
An interesting blog post on attempting to salvage mold contaminated sofas and mattress appears at the link below. It suggests to spray with saline mixture, place in the sun, and brush of the salt when dry.

www.allaboutparasites.com/mold-exposure.html

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ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/14/2018 2:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Another alternative mold treatment for the home BORAX is discussed in detail in the following blog post. This may actually be the most practical for my attic. One of the commenters talks dissolving Borax in Murphy's Oil and using a garden sprayer as an applicator.

/dengarden.com/cleaning/Borax-on-Wooden-Joists-for-Mold-Treament

I will review all of the aforementioned products that are on the way in this threat a short while after I receive and use them.

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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 3/14/2018 10:36:08 AM (GMT-6)


ChickenArise
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   Posted 3/14/2018 11:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Testing home and self :

Apparently mold leads to all kinds of opportunistic infections. This is what I have also experienced.

An interesting quote from the extensive information and resources is taken from the link below. I dont know how one should feel about the following statement:

"If a doctor wants to give you a blood test for mold he/she probably DOES NOT have the slightest clue about toxic mold. This means they are only working off of a western medical philosophy of "allergies". Toxic molds DO NOT hang out in the blood stream because the blood has a high level of oxygen. Toxic molds do not thrive in an oxygen rich environment so they are basically undetected in blood tests."

I know someone who had their blood examined under a microscope and there was very visible mold and lots of it, so they may be referring to a different type of test. I recommend you take a look at the blood sample under a microscope if you can.

My veins became large and visibly expanded after mold exposure. I need heparin just to make the blood flow when I do major autohemotherapy ozone treatments as my blood is very thick now. I am certain it is filled with spores after my lengthy exposure.

There is other useful info here as well as a broad array of binders mentioned at the end:

www.survivingtoxicmold.com/help___where_do_i_start__

2014 Mold Sick,2015 Clinical Lyme and co.,2016 Morgellons,2017 Remission
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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 4/24/2018 6:05:00 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 3/14/2018 12:20 PM (GMT -6)   
ChickenArise said...
Testing home and self :

Apparently mold leads to all kinds of opportunistic infections. This is what I have also experienced.

An interesting quote from the extensive information and resources is taken from the link below. I dont know how one should feel about the statement (they spell 2 words wrong in the paragraph) but the statement with the spelling corrections is:

"If a doctor wants to give you a blood test for mold he/she probably DOES NOT have the slightest clue about toxic mold. This means they are only working off of a western medical philosophy of "allergies". Toxic molds DO NOT hang out in the blood stream because the blood has a high level of oxygen. Toxic molds do not thrive in an oxygen rich environment so they are basically undetected in blood tests."

However there is other useful info as well as a broad array of binders mentioned at the end, so I will let you decide and invite input:

www.survivingtoxicmold.com/help___where_do_i_start__


Thanks again!

To bo honest, that article stressed me out big time. Ideally, I wlould like to move and leave all our belongings. But, financially this is not feasable. I'm going to have to do what I can to purify my house and go from there.

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   Posted 3/15/2018 9:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Its a lot of info crammed into one big endless scrolling page with multiple fonts but I got some key takeaways that were worth it.

Pyroluria mentioned triggered by mold....

"Mold in fact had triggered this condition called Pyroluria. I found out that mold had caused an imbalance in my blood chemistry and I was severely deficient in zinc....when a person is deficient in zinc, copper is not able to be detoxed or removed from the body and pyrole proteins start duplicating in the body at alarming levels. Pyrole depletes B6 so the imbalance then became Low zinc, high copper, B6 deficient, high pyrole. This combo can dibilitate a person to the point of suicide, anxiety, ocd, schitzo and more."

also

" Idione Deficiency - this is common in moldies. If after testing you find out that you are iodine deficient like I was you can purchase a high quality idione supplement."

Mold had me deficient in iodine also. Thyroid suffered badly but nascent iodine brought it back. I worked an incremental dose to 15mg per day (sometimes 20mg) and the thyroid recovered in about 3 months. I use a small maintenance dose now.

We had once fogged with an enzyme cleaner but this actually led to more visible mold growth which we then covered with Concrobium.

I found this that claims it is for mold but I never used it. If anyone does or has please let me know.

www.mold-medics.com/mold-m-remover/

I dont like any products that need to be mixed with water as they dont sell it distilled around here, which surprises me as there are plenty companies that bottle water here. I dont want to do anything to raise the relative humidity. Water is what started the problem.

If anyone has recommendations on a good distiller for the home please let me know.

I would consider the stuff they use to clean hospitals but I am fairly certain what they use is what leads to MRSA and other resistant bacteria.

Pure Line contacted me back about the Chlorine Dioxide and said they do not sell their product for residential use. They are probably afraid of the liability. Houses here are concrete and dont seal well which I believe will eventually work to our advantage, so this is not a practical solution anyway.

There is another "Gringo" out here who was describing specific Lyme symptoms that sounded like Bart and Babesia. He had been to multiple doctors here and keeps getting referred to other doctors who are happy to take his money and provide no viable solutions.

They tried to put me on the specialist referral merry go round but I jumped off when I saw it for what it was. If the ophthalmologist truly saw nothing and the dermatologist wasnt going to test my skin then this was going to remain undetectable.

They dont test for Lyme here. In hindsight what would testing positive really have accomplished in my case? It would have deflected my attention away from the true source of my problem.

Had I remained in the system I would likely be on thyroid meds for the rest of my days as the endocrinologist was next up.

I'm likely not the first and or last person dealing with it out here.

Keep in mind, when you have been exposed to large amounts of mold you may experience a period where you rage over little things. I experienced this until the antifungals got a handle on my infection and began to work.

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Post Edited (ChickenArise) : 4/24/2018 6:14:25 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 3/15/2018 8:50 PM (GMT -6)   
How did you discover those filters, ChickenArise? I’m interested in tackling the mold side of things.

I’m not able to put much into testing the home or remediation currently, but we did have a leak and water damage a couple years ago, and both my doctor and I believe there’s mold at play.

She told me, I can’t get you better, unless you deal with the mold. Goes without saying, though.

Just curious how you came across that brand, as I’m not able to pull up much on them, at least as far as user testimonials beyond what may be on their site.

I’d like to try a modestly priced unit in the meantime, to see if I notice anything.

How do you think these sorts of filters - on the lower end of cost - compare to the makeshift box fan filters?

Thank you, thank you
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   Posted 3/16/2018 9:51 AM (GMT -6)   
I am in the same boat as you as far as remediation. At least the leak has been fixed but I am hoping to avoid the expense of replacing the whole of the ceiling tile. Too soon to say.

I came across a video on Youtube while researching what I should buy. I posted it in my Inflammation / HEPA thread. He recommended a couple brands one of which was AirPod. He claimed to have done a bit of research on the air volume and ran a business in the field but it wasnt an on line one. It looked and sounded sincere.

I have seen one they advertise on on the Doug Kaufman Show that costs in the $800's and has less features so I am happy to get 3 units for about the cost of one of those. You will always pay for the company's advertising in the cost of the product.

As long as it is True HEPA the filter is going to remove mold.

The next most important factor is how many cubic feet per hour is it going to handle or clean. The problem is many dont usually say. Only the square footage it treats is mentioned and not rated per hour so this info is hard to find.

The gent in the video claims to have looked at a lot of different units and it sounded as if he knew.

More often than not the fan size and speed is what determines how much air it can clean. I need larger units than the couple of $50 Hamilton Beach units that I now have.

Although these work just fine they dont move a lot of air. I have to carry it and keep it within a few feet of me to get maximum benefit and that is impractical.

I know it is mold that my body is reacting to. It will be the difference at minimum of feeling well or having inflammation in my case.

Also after a recent bloom I watched one of these small units get overloaded within days and when the filter is dirty it just recirculates mold. If you have cleanable filters it will result in cost savings. Most are going to be cleanable with a vacuum at least a few times.

If it has a protective grid spanning the surface of the filter it would hinder you from cleaning it. I see no reason a filter design should need this unless it moves a monster amount of air that the filter would tear without it. I would modify it and remove it if I felt it didnt need it.

Expect to need to clean it more frequently than suggested the first few times out if you are dealing with mold. If the unit looks dirty at the cover or spits back anything, it is time to clean the filter preferably with a vacuum outside, but even a toothbrush will clean it if you can get into the grooves.

For all of the features the AirPod boasts it seems reasonably priced. When I get mine I should be able to say how happy I am with it, but understand that I am moving from a minor league machine to the next level, so I expect that I will like it a lot. (Update: I do like these high quality machines a lot.)

The first model AirPod doesnt say cleanable filter but the second cheaper one does. It will be interesting to compare the two. This is where you will experience longer term savings. (Update: The Airpod is a tightly woven HEPA filter. It appears I will be able to vacuum these once or twice prior to having to replace them. The other filters in the unit are washable.)

It may be important to look at how much it will increase your electricity bill also. I am expecting a minimum of $600 per year increase to run 3 more machines non stop. Anything less and I will be pleased. Most consumer products are very energy efficient these days.

At about 15 pounds per unit I can still port these around to different areas as needed just not as easily as the little 2-3 pound unit I am using now.

It would help for you to see a HEPA filter which has a cloth in an accordion shape and small holes preceding a secondary filter to understand how it traps down to the micron level. HEPA was derived from a government created requirement. It should seal the filters to the frame forcing all particles through the filter.

If there is mold in your air which I can say there likely is based on what you have told me, a quality HEPA filter that moves more air could be the difference of a million spores that you breathe versus ending up in the filter. I cant even fathom the number of spores I must have inhaled over a 3 year period as it may be in the billions.

My body is working hard trying to expel them through the skin. I am guessing this is what the sand like particles my skin ejects consist of.

Make sure that whatever you buy has a decent volume as well as surface area. You may be able to get something without the bells and whistles in the just under $150 range like the second model shown from AirPod. A quick check on Amazon was pricing comparable units in this range making the lesser model look like a great deal.

I would say fan technology hasnt made as many advancements as the jet engine turbine has therefore size will likely matter.

It would help you to invest a little into a HEPA Vacuum cleaner also. We found something called the Shark Navigator for $180 in the local big box store. It is fine and does what it says.

Sometimes we have to take what we can find out here as we pay just under $4 per pound shipping using a mail facilitator. We ship to Miami and they get it to us in Panama. It is worth it because using the traditional post we get hit with customs duties on everything over $100 in value.

I may have knocked the US at times but it is a consumers paradise and as convenient as it gets. You can almost be assured you will get the low price shopping Amazon and everyone is bending over backwards to satisfy you.

These poor folks here are lucky if the company will honor a warranty and they are not being sold a second rate product represented as a first. I could elaborate but I dont want to digress from the topic too much.

Please remember it is your health we are talking about which you will likely need to make more income. $1 well spent in prevention saves you at least $10 in medical if you count all these supplements we have bought. Consider yourself lucky to know what the source of the problem truly is so you can focus your efforts and expenditures correcting it.

I will review the two models of Airpods when I get them after I clean the filter once. Cheers!

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NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 3/16/2018 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for the response - very informative, and an enjoyable read. Simple, to the point.

That's exactly why I willed myself out of the house and back into school: money to afford to do things like this, and still pay the bills. They'll let me be a practical nurse in about six weeks, believe it or not. Somehow! I'll be sure to find something low-stress, though. Well, within reason. Nursing has been anything but thus far.

Feel like I should hold off until I get your word on it. I could buy a cheap unit, but would it be worthwhile? I don't know. I've lived with it for a couple years already.

thx
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   Posted 3/16/2018 11:06 AM (GMT -6)   
I looked into the product, Benefect. According to the survivingtoxicmold website, Benefect kills mold and neutralizes mycotoxins. This is big as concrobium does not help with mycotoxins.

I called Benefect and talked to one of their techs. They stated that they don't claim to neutralize mycotoxins because it doesn't fall into a category that is tested, or something of that nature. However, the contractors that use their product claim that the mycotoxin count almost diminishes after use of Benefect.

I have decided to fog with the Benefect instead of the concrobium for this reason. That, and that it is 100% safe. No synthetics. Hopefully we will beat this mold thing. The HVAC guys are finishing up my system as I type. So, I will have purified air running through the house. Going to fog the entire house and crawl space; place a dehudifier in the crawl space; wash all my fabrics in borax and a tea tree oil add-in blend. Clean all furniture with a befefect blend, and diffuse fungal killing essential oils during the day.

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   Posted 3/16/2018 11:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Hoagie said...
I looked into the product, Benefect. According to the survivingtoxicmold website, Benefect kills mold and neutralizes mycotoxins. This is big as concrobium does not help with mycotoxins.

I called Benefect and talked to one of their techs. They stated that they don't claim to neutralize mycotoxins because it doesn't fall into a category that is tested, or something of that nature. However, the contractors that use their product claim that the mycotoxin count almost diminishes after use of Benefect.

I have decided to fog with the Benefect instead of the concrobium for this reason. That, and that it is 100% safe. No synthetics. Hopefully we will beat this mold thing. The HVAC guys are finishing up my system as I type. So, I will have purified air running through the house. Going to fog the entire house and crawl space; place a dehudifier in the crawl space; wash all my fabrics in borax and a tea tree oil add-in blend. Clean all furniture with a befefect blend, and diffuse fungal killing essential oils during the day.


crawl spaces are notorious for mold and critters. If this isn't connected directly to your house, I would get an industrial strength ozone generator and blast it for 24 hours at a time. dont rent, buy one. you can get cheap ones on ebay that work good.

you want one rated at like 15 or higher grams/hr. Bare bones units are available like this, compare the price to other 15-20 gr/hr units.

/www.ebay.com/itm/15g-20g-Ozone-Generator-Living-Air-Purifiers-Ozone-Disinfection-Machine-With-Fan/263464593645?hash=item3d57b6a8ed:m:mVjUXpwCD8vUCxxHCCBHimg

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   Posted 3/16/2018 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I can’t wait to learn how to do all of this, when I have the room on my plate.

Today must be an exceptionally moldy day, my sinuses are hurting.
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   Posted 3/17/2018 10:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Will be looking into Benefact for the next purchase as it sounds interesting and disinfecting. I am curious as to the ingredients but other than Thyme it will likely be proprietary and hard to discover. Wife returned with a large bottle of Concrobium as per my request so I will be finishing that bottle first.

I am interested in your experience with the Benefact.

Found it on sale here at just 26.82 per gallon:

www.ovrsupply.com/benefect-22076-botanical-decon-30-disinfectant-1x55-gldrum

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   Posted 3/18/2018 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Mold in the brain is quite the problem that can result in symptoms identical to Lyme. There are a couple different ways this can be diagnosed as shown in the links to the articles below. It can cause tinnitus, brain fog, panic disorders, headaches, and a whole host of other problems.

Although not a standard medical way of testing, it only costs $6 to get a UV flashlight on Amazon where you can see if the back of your throat glows in UV light.

/www.amazon.com/Flashlight-Fsmart-Scorpion-Detector-Ultraviolet/dp/B01BUTI8G2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1521409517&sr=8-10&keywords=uv+flashlight

Mine glows very noticeably. I believe it is a result of the exposure. The tonsil walls have been called the septic area for the brain and I know I have been exposed to ridiculous amounts of long term mold.

Some more effective conventional but often overlooked type of tests are below.

NeuroQuant Links Mold Illness to Structural Change in Brain
www.survivingmold.com/legal-resources/dr.-shoemaker-essays/neuroquant-links-mold-illness-to-structural-change-in-brain-1

Fungal Brain Infections More Common
www.knowthecause.com/index.php/doctors-and-trade-professionals/877-fungal-brain-infections-more-common

Mold Toxicity – Advanced Treatment for Mold Toxicity
floridadetox.com/mold-toxicity-killing-americans-slowly/

Brain SPECT scans likewise recognized problems in a substantial part of the individuals examined.2.
orangemolds.com/effects-of-mold-on-the-brain

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   Posted 3/18/2018 11:49 PM (GMT -6)   
MOLD REMEDIATION uses a product called AIR SCRUBBERS or Negative Air Machines.

The object is to create negative space in the area to be decontaminated. Some resources follow:

ohico.com/the-decontainment-chamber-and-the-negative-space/

/www.drieaz.com/Uploads/DECA/GTAS.pdf

You can see by the prices of the equipment here that a DIY job would likely cost way less than a mold remediation by a professional. Machines can be rented but rental costs about 2/3 of the retail price of the machine. If the project runs more than a day you are better off buying the machine.

A video briefly explaining what is used and what you should do now and possibly later is below and recommends an Idylis home HEPA filter ($250) with UV which sounds like a self adjusting smart unit by his description.
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPoAFZVEL8E

A series of videos showing what is involved in doing it yourself:
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZMDxAsCdo
/www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQqR9zjMWFk

A store which sells the negative air machines is provided as a pricing guide:
/www.negairmachines.com/

Biocide Labs who make the mold bomb fogger spray has an air scrubber made for home use and is the lowest price ($400) I have seen as most are larger commercial machines for mold remediation. If need be I will order one and report on it.
https://www.shop.biocidelabs.com/AirSafti-Air-Scrubber-AirSafti.htm

I am estimating you could do a whole house for under $1200 in equipment and supplies (not including replacement drywall and home fixtures) and rent a portable moving pod (about $250 per month) or a large uhaul truck ($??) to use as a decontamination chamber area where you move your furniture into and perform decontamination and the HEPA vacuuming of your furniture.

The nice thing about the moving pod is you can do it at your own pace. You can ozone the mold dead with the commercial ozone machine in the moving pod. Then you can use the negative air machine in the pod to suck up much of the dead mold and open the moving pod to air out VOC's. I would still recommend that you HEPA vacuum any sofas or mattresses.

The ozone machine LAPIS posted a link to would generate a serious amount of ozone that I would not be comfortable working with indoors although it may work well in the large area of my false attic described below. This unit requires a large space to avoid doing damage. Probably fine for outdoor crawl space, but is too much ozone for an average room unless you ran it in 15 minute intervals and check after 15 more minutes of air out. Ozone will not permeate walls so you must pay attention to area you are treating.

I dont believe that unit is housed in a machine with a timer so you would need to set it to a timer. That is a lot of ozone and I would only use that in a large space for a short duration.

You need to move the ozone around with fans of some kind.

You must be careful with the amount of ozone generated in small spaces. Using a 5000 mg per hour unit in my car for just 30 minutes caused a funky smell afterward. This is the smell of chemicals coming out of the cloth as it degrades.

It eventually aired out and didnt cause lasting damage to the car but I could smell it for 2 days and this is what happens when ozone runs out of contaminants to obliterate in the air, it begins to degrade cloth which can spew out volatile inorganic compounds.

After ozone obliterates the mold and other contaminates then it begins to obliterate cloth which can damage it beyond repair. If you smell anything other than clean air after treatment you have likely damaged cloth and you would be lucky if it didnt destroy it and the smell airs out.

I have done 2 hour treatments at a time in rooms but in a small room you might want to consider shorter times as there is no way to tell when the contaminants have been cleared.

Also this will leave a fine layer of black dust as the contaminants are obliterated relative to their amounts which will fall to the ground and everywhere else and this will have to be cleaned with the HEPA vacuum.

I have a tricky situation of a false attic which was formerly exposed to large amounts of mold. The house is 70 feet by 30 feet with a support wall dividing the area of the false attic into two sections that must be treated on each side. It is the area between ceiling tile and the roof. The ceiling tile would not support the weight of a negative air machine. The machine would have to be small enough to sit on the thickness of a concrete wall.

There is dust on the other side of the PVC ceiling tile which I still have no idea how I could clean this and I have been thinking about it for quite some time how I am going to tackle this.

I have sent ozone into that area with a fan but have no way of knowing how much is too much or if the ozone spanned the distance of the ceiling tile. There will be a layer of dust produced by the obliterated mold and contaminants.

I am also concerned that at some point the ozone might degrade the tile and joints.

Any ideas are welcome and thanks to those who have suggested solutions of any kind.

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   Posted 3/19/2018 3:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Mixing Borax With Vinegar

You can also create a spray by mixing borax and vinegar together. Just add a cup of vinegar to the borax and water solution. The solution works best in warm water because the warm water loosens the mold. This will make a more effective solution because borax and vinegar attack the mold in slightly different ways. Some also add salt. Works as an insecticide too.

Other natural born killers include tea tree oil, grapefruit seed extract, baking soda, and hydrogen peroxide (I dont believe you should mix peroxide nor baking soda with vinegar).

www.royalmaidservicenorthpinellas.com/2012/09/remove-mold-with-borax-and-vinegar/

Mold Bomb fogger in cans and remediation kit
(I have never used but nice to be aware of options)

www.biocidelabs.com/House_Remediation_Kit.html

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   Posted 3/20/2018 12:43 PM (GMT -6)   
One of the AirPods (their mid tier product) came in yesterday and its sensor read much of my air as different levels of contaminated.

I have been moving this unit to each room I am in and slept while it was running on high overnight. I awoke with no inflammation this morning. First time in as long as I can remember.

I am amazed and pleased. World of difference compared to the small Hamilton Beach unit. It moves a lot more air and the white noise is pleasant. I still await two of their top tier machines.

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