Nausea - treating with babesia/bartonella herbals - what's your guess for infection?

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1000Daisies
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   Posted 3/9/2018 9:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Curious what you associate nausea with? Babesia? Bartonella?

I looked it up on the coinfection chart, and several infections cause GI/nausea problems. Babesia is one of them, so I'm suspicious about that.

Or is it possible it's not a coinfection but perhaps a probiotic imbalance instead? I think it's less likely it's this but do wonder about it.

Kid#3 (my least sick kid from lyme/etc) is having more bouts of nausea and "stomach upset" - but no vomiting. This is definitely related to babesia/bartonella herbals that we are on. We had been on a break from herbals, and when I restarted them, he had this symptom. So, I took another break and restarted - again, the nausea came back. Pretty sure it's related to the herbals based on this reaction happening each time we go back on them.

He is a functioning kid going to school regularly. But when I put him on the herbals, he is starting to miss more school or difficulty going to school. If this keeps up, I'm going to have to ask for accommodations so I don't have problems with truancy with missing school. sad
OR I'm thinking of not treating him again until summer since he's functioning well now.

We go beyond slow - seriously. We started at one drop of the herbals and only increase one drop after a week. We are staying at 2 drops now. I stopped the herbals temporarily for him until he bounces back.

The odd thing is that he was on higher drops than this previously last year without this symptom as much.

Any thoughts?
Kid#1: Extremely sick for several years, very difficult to treat, but doing great now!
Kid#2: Still sick now despite being treated for years but doing better (not well yet).
Kid#3: Generally good but relapsing off/on.
Me: Adv Labs positive 2016 (suspected I passed to my kids)-not as sick as others, mostly battling fatigue and yeast issues (heart/kidney issues resolved)
Treating with herbals now.

Post Edited (1000Daisies) : 3/9/2018 8:49:24 AM (GMT-7)


dbwilco
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   Posted 3/9/2018 10:02 AM (GMT -6)   
im thinking in my case that stomach issues are from bart....most of my, and your kids symptoms are gastritis type stomach inflammation, and bart is the probably culprit...the more i treat the worse it gets...my nausea seems to be stomach acid related, and with bart the mucosa of your stomach can be inflamed during treatment...im using dgl licorice, aloe vera and slippery elm to keep stomach coated...maybe other bart people can chime in...although im sure babs and lyme can cause it too

Girlie
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   Posted 3/9/2018 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   
I think it's usually Babesia...

But....bart messes with the nerves...and the the Vagus Nerve runs down into the stomach.


So...it's possible it is bart.
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sandyfeet
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   Posted 3/9/2018 12:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been trying to figure this one out myself.

I get nausea when I try to increase my dose of Japanese Knotweed but I also think I tend to get more nausea from babesia as it was most severe for me during the two months when I was working hard on ramping up on anti-babesia herbs.

So far I haven't been able to pin down a definite rhythm to the cycles of nausea that I have so I'm keen to hear what everyone else has to say on this one.

Interesting thought on bart and the vagus nerve Girlie.

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   Posted 3/12/2018 7:54 AM (GMT -6)   
The primary symptom that improved when my friend with B. Duncani began the Carnicom Protocol was chronic nausea went away.

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